1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Bootloader. I'm Tod Kurt. 2 00:00:04,520 --> 00:00:09,060 Speaker 1: And I'm Paul Cutler. The show works like this. Tod and I have each brought three things to share, 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:14,980 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about each one for about five minutes. We're glad you're here. Tod, what's your first one for us? 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 2: My first one is Bambu Helper. Bambu Helper is a tiny ESP32 powered desk friend that tells you how your 3D printer's doing. 5 00:00:24,260 --> 00:00:28,980 Speaker 2: uses MQTT either in lan mode or cloud mode to get your Bambu labs printer stats. 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,460 Speaker 2: It shows percent progress, ETA when the print will be finished, 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: temps on the bed, nozzle, and chamber if you've got a chamber, 8 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: and even what type of filament it's using. 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: I finally got a Bambu printer a few weeks ago. 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: The same week, a member on the R-ESP32 subreddit 11 00:00:44,060 --> 00:00:47,100 Speaker 2: post about using an ESP32 super mini board 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: and a little 1.5 inch square TFT display 13 00:00:50,420 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: to pull data from their Bambu P1S print. 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: over MQTT. 15 00:00:55,300 --> 00:00:56,340 Speaker 2: I didn't even know this was possible. 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,500 Speaker 2: I knew that they were kind of on the net, 17 00:00:58,580 --> 00:01:00,420 Speaker 2: but I thought it was a purely proprietary protocol. 18 00:01:01,180 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: And the build he ended up making was pretty slick. 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,460 Speaker 2: It was like this nice little enclosure thing 20 00:01:05,540 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: that looked kind of like it would properly set on your desk 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 2: like a little product. 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 2: So I bookmarked it and I thought, okay, maybe I'll get this something, 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,780 Speaker 2: get this to work on my H2 printer, like after some time. 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:17,980 Speaker 2: But then a few days later he posted an update. 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: Surprise, Bambu helper now works for all 3D printers. 26 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:23,780 Speaker 2: And it can work in either lan mode, talking directly 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: to your printer, if you've got one of the printers that can do that, which unfortunately mine is not, 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,100 Speaker 2: or in cloud mode where it talks to Bambu servers over a secure TLS MQTT. 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: It's even got a web interface once you've got it all set up to configure various settings, 30 00:01:37,180 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: like what information you want to just be displayed and like if you want the screen rotated or not, 31 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: depending on how you build a setup. 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,260 Speaker 2: And if it's not doing anything at all, like if your printer is just stationary, then it becomes a clock. 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:48,940 Speaker 2: So that's pretty handy. 34 00:01:49,860 --> 00:01:51,300 Speaker 2: And if you want to build one of these, it's pretty easy. 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: It's just eight wires to solder between the, you. 36 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:54,900 Speaker 2: ESP 32 in the display. 37 00:01:55,620 --> 00:01:58,420 Speaker 2: There's an optional touch button you can wire up if you want, but I don't think it's 38 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: really that needed. 39 00:01:59,220 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: I think it just switches between a couple of different sort of status screens. 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:08,119 Speaker 2: The maker included a nice 3D printed enclosure that's got a really clean, minimal aesthetic, 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,140 Speaker 2: almost retrocomputer inspired. 42 00:02:10,420 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: And I thought it was very thoughtfully designed because it assumes that your little ESP32 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:20,460 Speaker 2: board already has headers soldered down, which is the way I always operate. 44 00:02:20,950 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: I prototype stuff on a breadboard and then move it to an enclosure. 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,420 Speaker 2: And a lot of builds assume that like, oh, you're taking this pristine board and soldering wires to it. 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,100 Speaker 2: It's like, I don't want that. 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: I want something that I can kind of undo and put it back on the breadboard if I need to. 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,220 Speaker 2: So it's nice that his 3D printed design kind of assumes that you've got headers already installed. 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,100 Speaker 2: The end result looks kind of like a finished product, which is pretty great. 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,900 Speaker 2: I've breadboarded this running right now, and it seems pretty useful. 51 00:02:47,370 --> 00:02:49,260 Speaker 2: I think I might actually build it. 52 00:02:49,770 --> 00:02:53,220 Speaker 2: You can get all the information from the Bambu handy app. 53 00:02:53,740 --> 00:03:00,380 Speaker 2: on your phone if you have that installed or from Bambu studio if you use that but i'm a big fan 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,460 Speaker 2: of ambient displays and so i think i'm going to build this and put it in the house where i can 55 00:03:05,620 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: tell a glance what the printer's doing that's in my workshop which uh they're they're distinct 56 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: they're separate and but i think my case i'm going to make a little alternate case it's going to be 57 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:18,820 Speaker 2: more vertically oriented and wall mounted so i can mount it to our cork board where like little 58 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: notes go up but an outstanding question i have is 59 00:03:23,260 --> 00:03:26,500 Speaker 2: for Bambu helper is how does it deal with error or warning conditions, 60 00:03:26,890 --> 00:03:30,780 Speaker 2: you know, like jammed filament, opened door chamber or chamber door. 61 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:36,980 Speaker 2: I've not tested that yet because it's hard to get these Bambu printers to fail so far as far as I can tell. 62 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: But, you know, I come from a decade of 3D printing where I'm used to printers failing as much as them working. 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,380 Speaker 2: So this is one of the first things I key on. 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:52,060 Speaker 2: And all of the while I've been pondering this, our Paul here writes two incredible CircuitPython tools. 65 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: First, circuit Bambu, a CircuitPython take on Bambu helper, and it looks great. 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,980 Speaker 2: And it's written in like CircuitPython with display I.O. 67 00:04:00,980 --> 00:04:03,660 Speaker 2: So you can port it to other platforms, I think, pretty easily. 68 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: And more generally, a Bambu Lab CircuitPython library for anyone to get info and interact 69 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: with the Bambo Labs printer. 70 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:12,420 Speaker 2: This is super neat. 71 00:04:12,420 --> 00:04:13,220 Speaker 2: I can't wait to play with it. 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:20,079 Speaker 2: I'm honestly more interested in modding circuit Bambu to work with one of my favorite ESP32 boards 73 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: that I've mentioned in previous episodes 74 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,740 Speaker 2: since those all have built-in displays, 75 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,100 Speaker 2: no wiring needed. 76 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:27,220 Speaker 2: So thanks, Paul. 77 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, since I stalk you on GitHub, 78 00:04:30,740 --> 00:04:32,220 Speaker 1: or I mean, follow you on GitHub. 79 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: I saw you Star Bambu Helper, 80 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: and I went through and looked at it. 81 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: And after a day or two, I'm like, 82 00:04:38,780 --> 00:04:40,460 Speaker 1: if they can do it in Arduino, 83 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,540 Speaker 1: you should be able to do it in CircuitPython. 84 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: And I hadn't worked on a CircuitPython project, 85 00:04:45,890 --> 00:04:47,500 Speaker 1: a big project in a couple of years. 86 00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: And I have to admit, 87 00:04:49,620 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: This is the first time I've ever used Claude to help me bootstrap it. 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: So I did use Claude to do some of it. 89 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,500 Speaker 1: But it only works in cloud mode right now. 90 00:04:57,980 --> 00:04:59,380 Speaker 1: Local mode doesn't work yet. 91 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: And that's because CircuitPython only uses MQTT 3.1.1. 92 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: And the cloud mode can use either 3 or MQTT5. 93 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: But the local mode, supposedly local mode only works in 3.11 in my testing, but CircuitPython still isn't connecting. 94 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,980 Speaker 1: So I have some more testing to do there. 95 00:05:19,460 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, I got it up and running on a qualia display, just the one display that I had. 96 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,660 Speaker 1: And it was a fun little project to do. 97 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:28,260 Speaker 2: That's great. 98 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing that the Bambu is exposing the MQTT service. 99 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:36,060 Speaker 2: It's like all authenticated and stuff. 100 00:05:36,140 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: So like Randos can't just come and look at the status of your printer. 101 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: But they expose that to the world. 102 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: So your little Bambu helper, your Bambu helper in Circa Python can run anywhere on the planet. 103 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be on your land, which is pretty cool. 104 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:53,140 Speaker 2: All right. 105 00:05:53,220 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: So what's your first one for this week or for this month? 106 00:05:56,740 --> 00:06:04,220 Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing to own a 3D printer, but it's another thing when you have your own scanner to scan an object and then 3D print a replica. 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,260 Speaker 1: And that's what OpenScan does. 108 00:06:06,420 --> 00:06:08,300 Speaker 1: It's an open source and modular scanner. 109 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: They have two models, the OpenScan Mini and the OpenScan Classic, both of which are sold for $239. 110 00:06:15,300 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: That's without the 3D printer in a Raspberry Pi 4. 111 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:20,180 Speaker 1: which you can also buy direct from them. 112 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,740 Speaker 1: But what you get for $240 is a pre-soddered and tested pie shield and ring light, 113 00:06:26,380 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: a 3D printed cross-polarizer module for the OpenScan Mini, 114 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: an Arjucam's 16 megapixel camera with the cables, 115 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: two stepper motors and their drivers, 116 00:06:35,620 --> 00:06:38,100 Speaker 1: and a power supply and a couple small parts that you'll need. 117 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: And if you really want to do it yourself, 118 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:44,500 Speaker 1: they do make the bill of materials available so you could order all the parts by yourself. 119 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: With the two-steper motors, 120 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,300 Speaker 1: it spins the small table that your object sits on, 121 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: while the second moves the 3D printed parts around and over the top of it. 122 00:06:53,900 --> 00:06:55,580 Speaker 1: Check out the show notes for links to their site. 123 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:57,980 Speaker 1: It's hard to describe without seeing it. 124 00:06:58,180 --> 00:07:01,140 Speaker 1: When it comes to accuracy, they link to one of their blog posts, 125 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: which I've shared in the show notes. 126 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,860 Speaker 1: The author scanned two Chrome Allied spheres with a diameter of 20 millimeters and 25 millimeters 127 00:07:09,580 --> 00:07:12,220 Speaker 1: and took 150 photos per set, 128 00:07:12,540 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: which was about 250 megs of total data and took 11 minutes. 129 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,060 Speaker 1: They then process the photos in open scan cloud. 130 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:22,740 Speaker 1: They're free, and I don't know how to say this word. 131 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,660 Speaker 1: I want to say it like telemetry, but I think it's photogrammetry. 132 00:07:26,820 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: Don't know. 133 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: But it's a free service that they offer that never shares your data. 134 00:07:32,100 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: The results from scanning the two spheres were less than 0.028 millimeters, which is impressive. 135 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,420 Speaker 1: If you want to make your own gaming miniatures or really anything at all, 136 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: the combo of the open scan plus a 3D printer would make. 137 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: a killer combination. 138 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like there's, there's been photogrammetry apps for, for your phone for a while 139 00:07:53,660 --> 00:07:55,540 Speaker 2: because you're, because what is photogrammetry? 140 00:07:55,540 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: It's basically taking a lot of photos of an object and you can you spin around with your 141 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:59,380 Speaker 2: phone. 142 00:07:59,790 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: And because the phone has sensors inside to tell where it's at in space, you know, with the accelerometer 143 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: and the gyro and stuff, it can tell as you move around where those photos are taken. 144 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,740 Speaker 2: And then like, yeah, there's something that stitches them all together into 3D. 145 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,620 Speaker 2: But if you ever tried to do in that, the resolution is fairly low. 146 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: Whereas this open scan is made for these little tabletop handheld miniatures. 147 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,020 Speaker 2: It's made for high-res small things, which is really neat. 148 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: It's like you don't see that very often. 149 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: And I don't have a use for it, but it's so cool. 150 00:08:30,660 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: Right, exactly. 151 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:40,340 Speaker 1: I highly recommend checking out their website and seeing the photos that they've taken and seeing it in action because I can't really describe it that well. 152 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:40,820 Speaker 2: Yeah. 153 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: If you've ever wanted to recreate a detailed miniature. 154 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,820 Speaker 2: you know, not a lot of people want to do that, but if you want to do that, this is like a godsend. 155 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: What's your next one for us? 156 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: Back in February, I saw some folks on Blue Sky who had a tiny e-book, e-reader that could magnet to the back of your phone. 157 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: It was super simple, having only four buttons, no touchscreen, and explicitly just rendered e-pub-formatted books. 158 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: You loaded onto it via microSD card. 159 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,780 Speaker 2: I've been wanting to try a proper e-reader for a while, but I didn't really get sidetracked or pay the expense of or pay. 160 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: Amazon 4 or something like a Kindle. 161 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,420 Speaker 2: And this little $60 X-E-Ink X-4 162 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,980 Speaker 2: looked like a great choice to get started. 163 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:27,380 Speaker 2: And then I learned it had an ESP 32 in it. 164 00:09:29,340 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: So I get it a couple months ago. 165 00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:32,580 Speaker 2: Start using it as intended. 166 00:09:32,740 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: It's really neat. 167 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,420 Speaker 2: It's got a very focused use case that it presents. 168 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: So the ability to be distracted by doing, 169 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: for doing anything else with it is zero. 170 00:09:42,820 --> 00:09:44,420 Speaker 2: You can just read books on it. 171 00:09:44,660 --> 00:09:47,220 Speaker 2: I think it might be a little bit too small for me as a regular e-reader. 172 00:09:48,090 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: I, you know, I need glasses. 173 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: I'm a big guy. 174 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: It needs just a little bit bigger, I think. 175 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:57,300 Speaker 2: But then I distracted myself from its intended use and started hacking on it 176 00:09:57,420 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: because it turns out you can treat it like any other ESP32 devboard. 177 00:10:01,140 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: For the record, it's an ESP 32 C3 with 16 megabytes of flash. 178 00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: That's pretty low-end as ESP-30 devices go, but, you know, 179 00:10:09,340 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 2: it doesn't have native USB supports. 180 00:10:11,230 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: You can't make it look like a hard drive. 181 00:10:14,180 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: just USB serial, but it does have a Risk 5 processor and Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. 182 00:10:19,060 --> 00:10:21,020 Speaker 2: So there's lots of possibility for fun things there. 183 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: And then I discover CrossPoint Reader, an entirely open-source alternative firmware for the XTE Inc, written from the ground up. 184 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: It's essentially it's written in Arduino using Platform I.O. 185 00:10:33,420 --> 00:10:42,340 Speaker 2: It uses the open source open X4 SDK library, which was new to me that that existed, to access the various peripherals of the reader in a nice clean way. 186 00:10:43,380 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: And Crosspoint offers some really neat features like saving your reading position, supporting ePubs with images, having nicer fonts. 187 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: You can upload books to it over Wi-Fi, and it has over-the-air firmware updates. 188 00:10:55,020 --> 00:11:01,140 Speaker 2: Like normally to update firmware on the reader, you need to use their special little app or a Chrome browser or something. 189 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:04,420 Speaker 2: Anyway, it's like you have to have a cable and a computer. 190 00:11:04,860 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: And new features have been added to Crosspoint Reader firmware all the time. 191 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: So don't wait for an official release. 192 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,060 Speaker 2: Just install it from GitHub and see what happens. 193 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: You can always undo and load the official firmware if you want. 194 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,060 Speaker 2: And then on top of that, I learned that last month, 195 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,700 Speaker 2: friend of the show Liz, aka Blitz City, DOI, has also been hacking on the X4, 196 00:11:23,220 --> 00:11:25,220 Speaker 2: and has added a CircuitPython build for it. 197 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: And she made a nice helper library for it. 198 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,260 Speaker 2: While the CircuitPython firmware sets up the ePaper display 199 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,260 Speaker 2: to act as a standard CircuitPython display I.O. display. 200 00:11:34,420 --> 00:11:38,660 Speaker 2: The helper library that she wrote gives you easy access to the battery monitor and the buttons, 201 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,020 Speaker 2: which are implemented as a resistor ladder, 202 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:42,540 Speaker 2: so they're kind of tricky to read. 203 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: So thanks, Liz. 204 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: Oh, and also, the e-paper display, 205 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: unlike all the maker-oriented e-paper displays 206 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:50,860 Speaker 2: or ink displays that we have access to, 207 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,860 Speaker 2: this display is really fast. 208 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: So it's cool to see like a professional e-ink display. 209 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,620 Speaker 2: So suffice to say, 210 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: there's a ton of fun hacking opportunities 211 00:12:01,260 --> 00:12:04,300 Speaker 2: to be had with this quite well-built little e-ink reader. 212 00:12:05,020 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: It's sturdy enough to live in my backpack, 213 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: and the fact that it can act as a ESP 32 Wi-Fi dev board when I need one, 214 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: gives it double utility, flash on your own Arduino sketch to it, 215 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,020 Speaker 2: and then flash back the e-reader application. 216 00:12:18,250 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: You know, since all your books live on the SD card, it doesn't matter to you. 217 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: So this is highly recommended if you want a fun thing to hack on, 218 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:26,860 Speaker 2: maybe as an e-reader even. 219 00:12:28,180 --> 00:12:31,340 Speaker 2: But as I've not used it much as an actual re-reader, you know, 220 00:12:31,420 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: I can't speak to much of that yet. 221 00:12:33,860 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how small it was until I was on there, 222 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: site so it's four inches but that they have a picture of people using an iPhone pro and it's magnetically 223 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: attached to the back and fits within the iPhone so that that kind of gives you a perspective of how big 224 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:53,220 Speaker 2: it really is yeah i've got i've got an iPhone an iPhone pro max and it's smaller than the phone 225 00:12:55,020 --> 00:13:00,540 Speaker 2: on all dimensions so what's your next one for this one we've covered a couple air quality 226 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: monitors over the years and project aura is another but with a small twist 227 00:13:06,180 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: Project Aura is running as a Maker World crowdfunding project where you pay $30 for the 3D model and the firmware, which gets you the 3MF file, firmware, and the STL for 3D printing. 228 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,980 Speaker 1: The bill of materials is also provided, and you have to buy the parts yourself, which add up to about $200. 229 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:35,420 Speaker 1: You need to pick up a WaveShare ESP 32S3 touch with a 4.3 inch screen, a Senserion, Sen.66, an Adafruitbreakout that measures the air quality, temperature, and humidity, as well. 230 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: well as SFA 30 from Seed Studio, which is a formaldehyde sensor. 231 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: An Adafruit pressure sensor and hub, you can choose from a couple of different models, 232 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,020 Speaker 1: which I've linked to in the show notes. 233 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:50,820 Speaker 1: And lastly, a real-time clock, the Adafruit, 8523. 234 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:54,420 Speaker 1: Other than that, some miscellaneous cables, capacitors, and a battery are needed. 235 00:13:55,140 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: All the parts are linked from the project page, making it easy to buy. 236 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: The project blew away its goal. 237 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:04,780 Speaker 1: It raised $79,000 with an original goal of $1,000. 238 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: which is so impressive, and it doesn't even require any soldering. 239 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,340 Speaker 1: With the project blowing away its goals, 240 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,740 Speaker 1: the creator added a stretch goal for a second alternate enclosure design, 241 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: which he's also released. 242 00:14:16,740 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: The firmware uses Arduino and Platform I.O. 243 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,620 Speaker 1: And LVGL for the graphics. 244 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: It looks really impressive. 245 00:14:22,660 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Check it out with the links in the show notes. 246 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: It even has a night mode. 247 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,700 Speaker 1: It also features an integrated web dashboard with live stats, events, 248 00:14:30,860 --> 00:14:33,260 Speaker 1: setting sync, and over-the-air firmware updates. 249 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,460 Speaker 1: Initial setup can be done as it will create a Wi-Fi hotspot and uses MDNS to connect to it. 250 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,780 Speaker 1: And of course, it's home assistant capable and uses MQTT for communication. 251 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: Lastly, it features a safe boot. 252 00:14:47,660 --> 00:14:52,940 Speaker 1: It will automatically roll back to the last known good config after crashes, making it easy to use. 253 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,700 Speaker 1: I'm still in the market for an air quality sensor from my office. 254 00:14:56,940 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm curious how bad the air gets with my 3D printer here with me. 255 00:15:01,420 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: One of these days, I need to bite the bullet and just buy one of these projects. 256 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: But what was really neat to me is the fact that he sold the STL and the firmware for $30. 257 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: People are so used to just downloading STLs for free, but there's clearly a demand if you're going to raise 80 grand on a one grand goal. 258 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 259 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: This is a really great solution to the problem of one of the things, I'm on the 3D printing subreddit quite a lot. 260 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: And people always get frustrated because, you know, they'll upload their projects. 261 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:33,260 Speaker 2: to thing averse printables or maker world 262 00:15:33,420 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: and then they'll find their designs 263 00:15:36,140 --> 00:15:38,260 Speaker 2: for sell on Amazon or eBay or whatever 264 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: and it's just like, 265 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: they're just like, 266 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: it's really demoralizing, 267 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:42,060 Speaker 2: you know, 268 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: that like someone's just taking your design 269 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,580 Speaker 2: and printing out a whole bunch and selling them. 270 00:15:46,660 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: And usually you can get them taken down. 271 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,540 Speaker 2: Like often you can just ask the person 272 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,540 Speaker 2: who stole your design and they'll take it down 273 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,020 Speaker 2: because they're stealing from thousands of people 274 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,580 Speaker 2: who cares of they to take down one of them. 275 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,500 Speaker 2: But this is a great way to just kind of get around that 276 00:15:58,620 --> 00:15:58,860 Speaker 2: because like, 277 00:15:58,980 --> 00:16:00,820 Speaker 2: oh, you make money up front. 278 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: for a really cool idea. 279 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,580 Speaker 2: And if copies are made subsequent, 280 00:16:04,820 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: it's like, well, at least you actually got paid at the very start. 281 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 282 00:16:09,260 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: And in fact, if you visit the Maker World crowdfunding site, 283 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:15,580 Speaker 1: I believe he even sold commercial versions. 284 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:16,660 Speaker 1: So it costs more, 285 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: but you could actually buy a commercial license 286 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: to print them and sell them online. 287 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 288 00:16:22,980 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: I had an argument anybody to look at this 289 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: because it looks very sci-fi. 290 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,060 Speaker 2: You know, it's just like those sort of concatenated 291 00:16:28,699 --> 00:16:30,820 Speaker 2: triangular rhombus with a display on one side. 292 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: and like vents all over it because it's an air quality sensor. 293 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: And all the graphics that are in LVGL look kind of Star Trek-y almost, you know. 294 00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: And also if you look in internally, I love how it, because it's all just ATA fruit boards, like the Stemakutie boards. 295 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:54,860 Speaker 2: And he made a cool little 3D printable rack that houses the four different boards altogether and sort of makes it of one unit, which is really nice. 296 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: It's like this is such a great testament to how cool Stemak QT can be. 297 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: You don't, you just like plug, plug, plug, plug, plug. 298 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:02,460 Speaker 2: and you've got a thing that actually does a useful task. 299 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,620 Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely. 300 00:17:04,620 --> 00:17:05,860 Speaker 2: And what's your next one for us? 301 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: Okay, so another dev board. 302 00:17:10,300 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: This one's important, like super important, like societally important. 303 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: So the Baochip 1X by Bunny Huang is another micro-controlled platform like the RP2040 or the ESP 32. 304 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,319 Speaker 2: But unlike those chips, everything about the baochip is open source. 305 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,540 Speaker 2: It's based on an open source risk fee core. 306 00:17:29,900 --> 00:17:31,220 Speaker 2: It's actually got many cores in there. 307 00:17:31,540 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: And the entire design is open, like not just the cores. 308 00:17:35,060 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: The baochip includes a main CPU running at 315 meghertz. 309 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 2: And four smaller cores running at 700 megahertz and a complete set of hardware accelerators for 310 00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: cryptography and encryption, true random number generation, and a bunch of other things 311 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,700 Speaker 2: for like sort of the modern things we need in computers. 312 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: For memory, it's got two megabytes of RAM and built in four megabytes of RR RAM or resistive 313 00:17:58,010 --> 00:17:59,860 Speaker 2: random access memory, which is kind of. 314 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:05,220 Speaker 2: like Flash, but it's different. It also has an MMU, a memory management unit, so it could host 315 00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: real OSs. In size and cost, it's similar to the Raspberry Pi, you know, between like under $10 or 316 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,660 Speaker 2: whatever for the devboard. But it's so very different because of this openness. And he's taken the 317 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:20,380 Speaker 2: openness of the bout chip to the max. In addition to the design being open and the ROM bootloader 318 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: being open, the chip itself is literally open. It's transparent to infrared light. So you can 319 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 2: inspect it with a microscope and a camera that's sensitive to IR. 320 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:33,780 Speaker 2: so you can verify that the silicon that you received was what was promised. 321 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: It's like a physical check sum to guarantee that the chip that you got has not got malware 322 00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 2: or compromised encryption hardware in it. 323 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: We just can't do that. 324 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: Any of the chips we get, we just have to trust that what's in them is what's in them. 325 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: I've been following this project for a while, and recently Bunny published a couple of posts 326 00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:57,460 Speaker 2: on the crowd supply campaign page that goes deep into the details of the design of the chip. 327 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: in comparisons with other chips and past designs that other groups have done. 328 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: As someone who once thought they were going to be a VLSI designer, these posts are magical. 329 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:12,460 Speaker 2: I recommend anyone interested in chip design to read them as they cover decades of CPU design in just a few pages. 330 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:21,060 Speaker 2: One of the specific things that I found really fascinating was inside the BOW-I-Co processors that are sort of like the PIO co-processors. 331 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: That are sort of like the PIO co-processors that are in the RP2040. 332 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: If you ever heard about these, they're the things that enable. 333 00:19:27,460 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: us to do really cool protocoly stuff like, oh, neopixels or 334 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: HTML. 335 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: They're like tiny little subcomputers inside the main computer. 336 00:19:39,380 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 2: And in his BIO analysis document, he describes that while the RP2040s 337 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,020 Speaker 2: PIOs are conceptually simple, they're actually really complex, 338 00:19:48,180 --> 00:19:55,300 Speaker 2: comparable to how like older CISC-style processors were like one instruction could do a lot. 339 00:19:55,660 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 2: But that made the whole chip much more complicated. 340 00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: And the PIOs take up a lot of physical space on the chip. 341 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,540 Speaker 2: So Bunny took a different approach with the BIO processors. 342 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:13,260 Speaker 2: He made each one a tiny Risk 5 processor running at 700 megahertz with a few tricks to make them better for I.O. 343 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: Tasks, like being able to halt on various conditions. 344 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: So these I.O processors are full risk computers, just like the main CPU. 345 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,540 Speaker 2: And so they have much more program space than the 32 instructions of P.S. 346 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:31,900 Speaker 2: that's in the RP 2040, these BIO co-processors can run additional tasks like signal processing 347 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: or other sort of sensor handling tasks that you would normally do in your main CPU. 348 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:38,460 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 349 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: I can't wait to play with this. 350 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: So disclosure, I'm a vague acquaintance of Bunny, and I've personally backed the Boucher crowdfunding campaign. 351 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: Can't wait to play with these. 352 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:50,940 Speaker 2: A fully open chip that's not patent encumbered is the future. 353 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,900 Speaker 2: Like open source, we've been talking about how open source is the future, 354 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: that's been proving out over the last couple of decades. 355 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,460 Speaker 2: We all talk about open source, but everything we base our open designs on ultimately runs 356 00:21:02,620 --> 00:21:04,980 Speaker 2: on physical chips that are literal black boxes. 357 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:06,340 Speaker 2: Let's change that. 358 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what I was going to say is I don't know if folks appreciate how the fact 359 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: that it's 100% open source, right? 360 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: We think of the Raspberry Pi Pico as being open source, but the RM2 chip is not. 361 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:19,780 Speaker 1: The Bluetooth is not. 362 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: So to have something that was from A to Z designed with that in mind is absolutely. 363 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:25,740 Speaker 1: Absolutely amazing. 364 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:26,740 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 365 00:21:26,820 --> 00:21:35,020 Speaker 2: Like the, the Raspberry Pi Pico, the RP 2040 was a like kind of the next step from where we were a few years ago because it was so open. 366 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:39,100 Speaker 2: Like there was so much that was there was of the design that was given out that we could see how it all worked. 367 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: It was it was incredible. 368 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: But now this, the baochip is the next is I feel like the next step after that because we're getting to the truly, truly fully fully open. 369 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: So anyway, Paul, what's your last one for today? 370 00:21:51,460 --> 00:21:54,940 Speaker 1: My last one is either you love it or hate it, but it's AI related. 371 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,500 Speaker 1: and it's called OpenCode, which is 100% open source AI coding agents. 372 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,940 Speaker 1: So think Claude Code, but open source. 373 00:22:03,580 --> 00:22:08,940 Speaker 1: I know, I know it's AI, but I have to admit to dipping my toe into AI use this past month 374 00:22:08,940 --> 00:22:12,260 Speaker 1: and I kind of can see the utility in using AI for coding. 375 00:22:12,620 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 1: OpenCode is licensed under the Liberal MIT license and features more than 130,000 stars on GitHub. 376 00:22:18,580 --> 00:22:24,780 Speaker 1: It includes a number of free models that you can use or you can connect it to other popular AI providers like Anthropics Claude, 377 00:22:25,180 --> 00:22:26,260 Speaker 1: Google's Gemini and more. 378 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: It features extensions for VS code, cursor, and Zed, 379 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,060 Speaker 1: so you can use it right in your IDE. 380 00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:34,220 Speaker 1: I didn't see an official JetBrains extension for PiCharm, 381 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,740 Speaker 1: but JetBrains does offer one in their marketplace. 382 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,700 Speaker 1: I downloaded the desktop app they offer and tried it out. 383 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,260 Speaker 1: The desktop app is really similar to an IDE. 384 00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: On the left, there's a pain to interact with the AI, 385 00:22:47,220 --> 00:22:48,700 Speaker 1: and on the right is your code editor. 386 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,300 Speaker 1: The first project I had to do was to try and convert an Arduino project 387 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:54,140 Speaker 1: to CircuitPython that uses MQTT, 388 00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: the Bambu helper app that we talked about earlier. 389 00:22:58,020 --> 00:23:00,220 Speaker 1: Let's just say it didn't do that great of a job. 390 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,860 Speaker 1: But the CircuitPython code was really C Python code 391 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: is what it spit out with how it was trying to connect to the MQTD broker. 392 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,660 Speaker 1: I then tried a different experiment and gave it a library I had just written 393 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,500 Speaker 1: and told it to replace the code.compy and use the library instead. 394 00:23:14,300 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: It got about 90% right, so it did a lot better. 395 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,980 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that there's just not a lot of training data in the free models for circuit 396 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,020 Speaker 1: Python. 397 00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: They also offer two paid options. 398 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:32,620 Speaker 1: The first is Zen, which they say gives you access to a curated set of AI models that open code is tested and benchmarked just for coding agents. 399 00:23:33,380 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: They claim that they are fixing this for everyone, not just for open code users by testing select models and consulting their teams, 400 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: working with providers to ensure that the models are delivered properly, and benchmarking all the model provider combinations that they recommend. 401 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:54,140 Speaker 1: They also charge $20, but pay as you go where you can set a monthly spend limit so you don't overpay. 402 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,460 Speaker 1: which is a lot of horror stories on Reddit right now 403 00:23:57,540 --> 00:24:00,860 Speaker 1: when I read about how many tokens are being used for Claude and whatnot. 404 00:24:01,620 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 405 00:24:03,260 --> 00:24:07,940 Speaker 1: The second option is open code go, which is $10 a month and is more of a standard plan. 406 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: They claim it has generous limits, but don't really say how many. 407 00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: It includes access to the GLM5, Kmi K2.5, the Minimax M2.5, and Minimax 2.7 models. 408 00:24:19,780 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: One thing I will say is I have no idea how the open source models were created, 409 00:24:23,460 --> 00:24:25,460 Speaker 1: and if it was done in an ethical way. 410 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: So if you're looking to try out this whole AI thing, 411 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:33,820 Speaker 1: this is one way to do it with an open source app and open source models to see if it works for you. 412 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,380 Speaker 1: Yeah, I played around with this a couple weeks ago. 413 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: I was kind of pitting it and Claude Code against each other. 414 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,940 Speaker 2: Like their terminal apps work very similar. 415 00:24:42,659 --> 00:24:46,140 Speaker 2: If you've used to one, the open code one will be about the same. 416 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: I did find it not to be not as good as cloud code, 417 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 2: but maybe about as good as chat GPT. 418 00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,060 Speaker 2: I was mostly poking at it with C code, 419 00:24:59,540 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 2: which I think has probably a broader foothold in the models. 420 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: I did like that there's an LLM. 421 00:25:04,460 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 2: I'm really excited by the idea of an LLM that is specifically tailored for coders. 422 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: Because I think that's one of the few cases where the LLM type stuff can actually work, 423 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,660 Speaker 2: especially for some of the stuff I've been doing lately, 424 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: which has been updating code from five years ago to more modern standards, 425 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: where it's like you're not really trying to do new stuff, 426 00:25:21,700 --> 00:25:24,180 Speaker 2: you're just trying to do old stuff in a new way. 427 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: Right. 428 00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:27,460 Speaker 2: And that seems like a perfect, 429 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,900 Speaker 2: perfect fit for these LLM things. 430 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:29,540 Speaker 2: And so, 431 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 2: yeah, 432 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,540 Speaker 2: so it's like, 433 00:25:30,940 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: I think for a lot of stuff, 434 00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 2: like if you're, 435 00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: if you use some of the lower end models for, 436 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,620 Speaker 2: unlike Claude or whatever, 437 00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: maybe OpenCode could replace that for now. 438 00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:41,420 Speaker 2: I do wish, 439 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: like as you mentioned, 440 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 2: I do wish there was more details to how they made their Zen models. 441 00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: They didn't really talk much about that. 442 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: They're kind of cagey, 443 00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: the way that like all these guys are, 444 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,660 Speaker 2: Casey. Right. I know that too. 445 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,340 Speaker 2: And, you know, and hey, you know, 446 00:25:58,100 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: Claude code sources 447 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: open now too in a way. Yes, it is. 448 00:26:02,740 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: As of yesterday, I think it just was 449 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: leaked. So, you know, Pandora's box 450 00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:09,820 Speaker 2: has been opened. It's all 451 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,380 Speaker 2: open code. But yeah. 452 00:26:11,820 --> 00:26:14,460 Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're into LLM-based coding, 453 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:15,820 Speaker 2: give the open code a try, I think. 454 00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's our show. Thanks for listening. 455 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,820 Speaker 1: And you can find detailed show notes and transcripts 456 00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:21,940 Speaker 3: at thebootloader.net. 457 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,340 Speaker 3: Until next time, stay positive.