1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:05,460 I'm Scott. 2 00:00:05,460 --> 00:00:06,380 I'm Russell. 3 00:00:06,380 --> 00:00:07,200 And I'm Leo. 4 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:08,000 This is Spitball. 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Welcome to Spitball, where three tech troubadours and a guest empty our heads of startup and 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,000 tech product ideas that we have stuck up in there so you can all have them for free. 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Anything that we say is yours to keep. 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:31,220 And this week, our guest is brought to you, a friend of all three of ours, but a neighbor 9 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:33,540 of mine formerly, Mike, Mike Bass. 10 00:00:33,540 --> 00:00:35,460 He is a musician and... 11 00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:36,020 Oh, I got you. 12 00:00:36,020 --> 00:00:37,240 Senior product manager. 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,060 Senior product manager. 14 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:41,440 He's a tech guy. 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,040 And when we were in college together, he was my next door neighbor in our dorm. 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,120 Mad respect for Mike. 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,900 He kind of fell off the radar for a little while, and I'm so excited to have him back in the 18 00:00:50,900 --> 00:00:51,720 area near us. 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,860 Mike, welcome to Spitball. 20 00:00:52,860 --> 00:00:53,920 I'm so excited to have you. 21 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:02,460 I am beholden to you for the time where you got not just one, but six HP touchpads for 22 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:04,180 the group of us. 23 00:01:04,180 --> 00:01:06,280 And the things you taught me were formative. 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,460 I'm probably indebted to you for my salary that I've been compensated the last five years. 25 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:10,920 That was... 26 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,260 Oh, there it is. 27 00:01:12,260 --> 00:01:16,340 I was going to ask you if you still have yours. 28 00:01:16,340 --> 00:01:22,460 I used them for, like, desktop, like, wall clock kiosks and stuff. 29 00:01:22,460 --> 00:01:24,360 I still got three of them down here. 30 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Is that running, like, Android 4? 31 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:27,740 In arm's reach, too. 32 00:01:27,740 --> 00:01:33,240 So my HP touchpad is lost in a Motel 8 in Arizona somewhere. 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Yeah. 34 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,460 And I called the next day, and they denied. 35 00:01:37,460 --> 00:01:40,720 Some housekeeper's life changed for the better. 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:47,020 Well, I'm not here to rant about how amazing Palm was for 10 minutes. 37 00:01:47,020 --> 00:01:47,340 But... 38 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:52,300 I would like to believe that that house cleaner, she is now, like, has, like, worships the gods 39 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:53,240 of HTML5. 40 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,500 And has, like, given her life to HTML5. 41 00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:57,140 Like, that's... 42 00:01:57,140 --> 00:01:57,980 She's been... 43 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:58,400 Coding. 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,080 So there's stuff now, yeah. 45 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,120 Well, again, among other things, Mike is an accomplished musician. 46 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,840 So this week is a little warm-up game. 47 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,960 I've written a game that we're going to call MIDI or Metal. 48 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:07,680 Ooh. 49 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,220 I don't know if any of you guys know this, but... 50 00:02:10,220 --> 00:02:11,300 Well, Mike certainly would. 51 00:02:11,300 --> 00:02:15,180 A MIDI controller, M-I-D-I, is usually like a keyboard. 52 00:02:15,180 --> 00:02:16,240 Looks kind of like a piano. 53 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,800 Plugs into the computer and speaks the language of MIDI in order to make, like, software instruments. 54 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,440 So, you know, press the keys and you're getting drums or bass sounds or whatever. 55 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,760 So I'm going to go down this list here, and we'll always start with our guest as we do every time. 56 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:35,520 I want to ask you, is this name the name of a brand name of a MIDI keyboard or a metal band of some kind? 57 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,640 Some sort of death metal. 58 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:36,920 Love it. 59 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:39,060 I'm going to start here with you, of course, Mike. 60 00:02:39,060 --> 00:02:41,060 Nektar Panorama. 61 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:42,980 N-E-K-T-A-R. 62 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:44,060 Panorama. 63 00:02:44,060 --> 00:02:45,160 Is that a MIDI controller? 64 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,740 Okay, never heard of anything, but I'm... 65 00:02:46,740 --> 00:02:47,720 Okay, I'm going to act with MIDI. 66 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,900 It is a MIDI controller. 67 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:49,380 Very good. 68 00:02:49,380 --> 00:02:50,060 Well done. 69 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:53,540 It's got that, like, that Japanese spirit to it. 70 00:02:53,540 --> 00:02:54,780 You know, just like that kind of... 71 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:55,240 Nektar. 72 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:55,640 Yeah, Panorama. 73 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:57,840 You don't have that in a death metal band. 74 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,540 Nektar must be some kind of brand. 75 00:02:59,540 --> 00:03:00,440 Yeah, I guess so. 76 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:01,180 Scott. 77 00:03:01,180 --> 00:03:02,700 Dark Tranquility. 78 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:05,400 I'm hoping that's a death metal band. 79 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:06,240 It is. 80 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,280 It's a Swedish death metal band. 81 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Well done. 82 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,700 Russell. 83 00:03:08,700 --> 00:03:10,500 Complete Control. 84 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:12,020 Spelled with two Ks. 85 00:03:12,020 --> 00:03:15,120 K-O-M-P-L-E-T-K-O-N-T-R-O-L. 86 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,660 MIDI controller. 87 00:03:16,660 --> 00:03:19,120 Throwing some Ks for... 88 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,460 It is indeed a MIDI controller. 89 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:21,800 Well done. 90 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,560 Oh, wow. 91 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:22,900 Okay. 92 00:03:22,900 --> 00:03:24,740 Okay, maybe this is too easy. 93 00:03:24,740 --> 00:03:25,280 Mike. 94 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,440 White Zombie. 95 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Oh, that's a metal band. 96 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:29,220 It is a metal band. 97 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:29,860 I mean, they use MIDI. 98 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:30,960 They use MIDI, but... 99 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Out of New York City. 100 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,300 You know them. 101 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:33,180 You would know them. 102 00:03:33,180 --> 00:03:35,440 I figured this might be too easy for you. 103 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Scott. 104 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:37,580 Symphony X. 105 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:39,380 Gotta be a MIDI controller, right? 106 00:03:39,380 --> 00:03:40,920 Prog Metal from New Jersey. 107 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,240 Oh, man. 108 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,680 Scott's the first to go. 109 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,260 Yeah. 110 00:03:44,260 --> 00:03:44,920 Russell. 111 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Novation. 112 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,760 N-O-V-A-T-I-O-N. 113 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:49,740 Impulse. 114 00:03:50,180 --> 00:03:51,780 Oh, shoot. 115 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:54,200 I was gonna go... 116 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,200 You know, it's MIDI controller. 117 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,300 It's gotta be. 118 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:56,760 Impulse. 119 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:57,840 It is indeed a MIDI controller. 120 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,220 Well done. 121 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:59,060 It's like, yeah. 122 00:03:59,060 --> 00:03:59,720 No hints, Mike. 123 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:00,140 No hints. 124 00:04:00,140 --> 00:04:03,180 One more time through. 125 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:04,740 Mike, Steel Panther. 126 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:08,080 I want to believe it's a MIDI controller. 127 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,960 I really do, but it's gotta be a metal band. 128 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,320 It's Glam Metal from LA. 129 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:11,780 Well done. 130 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:12,880 Glam Metal. 131 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Glam Metal. 132 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:14,520 Scott, can you match him? 133 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,480 Power Trip. 134 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,640 Gotta be a MIDI controller. 135 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,420 Thrash Metal Band from Texas. 136 00:04:18,860 --> 00:04:21,760 And Russell. 137 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:22,980 Scott gets the hardest ones. 138 00:04:22,980 --> 00:04:26,500 Russell, last one. 139 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:29,140 Arturia Polybrute. 140 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:31,380 A-R-T-U-R-I-A. 141 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:31,900 All right. 142 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:35,020 This is gonna be some, like, Nordic Metal Band. 143 00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:37,320 It's a MIDI controller. 144 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,040 Oh, man. 145 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,000 Arturia. 146 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:40,160 Yeah. 147 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:40,180 Yeah. 148 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:41,400 You don't like the Polybrute? 149 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:42,560 It's one of their best ones. 150 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,320 It's like... 151 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:43,820 Yeah. 152 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:45,140 Expectedly. 153 00:04:45,140 --> 00:04:46,420 Mike, you got a perfect score. 154 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:46,780 Well done. 155 00:04:46,780 --> 00:04:47,040 You won. 156 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Russell, you are up first this week. 157 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,640 What do you got for us? 158 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,220 Okay. 159 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:57,760 So, went to Starbucks, and I noticed that they swapped out their typical, like, giant bun 160 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,560 coffee maker. 161 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Okay. 162 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,820 For one of those... 163 00:05:01,820 --> 00:05:02,060 Yeah. 164 00:05:02,060 --> 00:05:02,880 You guys know the bun? 165 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,440 B-U-N-N. 166 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:04,060 The brand name. 167 00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:04,780 Yeah. 168 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:04,820 Yeah. 169 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:05,920 It's a brand of coffee. 170 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,780 Every, like, coffee... 171 00:05:07,780 --> 00:05:08,960 I don't know. 172 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,800 Commercial coffee machine is bun. 173 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:14,240 It's just a giant industrial commercial unit. 174 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:14,860 But that's... 175 00:05:14,860 --> 00:05:15,040 Okay. 176 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:15,600 I don't... 177 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:15,780 Yeah. 178 00:05:15,780 --> 00:05:19,380 Starbucks used to have something like that, but now they just have one of those typical, 179 00:05:19,380 --> 00:05:25,740 like, machines that grind beans right there, brew the coffee right in that moment, and 180 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:26,440 there you go. 181 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,800 You have your cup of Starbucks, right? 182 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,320 Sure. 183 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Before, like, you see this at Speedway now. 184 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,880 Like, they grind the beans. 185 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,600 You see it, like, in certain coffee... 186 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:36,220 Like, not coffee... 187 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:37,740 Like, in stores, right? 188 00:05:37,740 --> 00:05:44,420 So, my idea is just simply put, replace all... 189 00:05:44,420 --> 00:05:47,980 Like, create a coffee drive-thru that is just that. 190 00:05:47,980 --> 00:05:54,300 It's just fresh coffee grounded through a machine, like a vending machine, like a red box. 191 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:56,660 But it's drive-thru, okay? 192 00:05:56,660 --> 00:05:58,960 And it's super quick. 193 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,420 You know exactly what you're getting. 194 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,060 It's the ATM of coffee, right? 195 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:07,660 So, I know you get this at gas stations. 196 00:06:07,660 --> 00:06:08,800 I know that's a thing. 197 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:14,200 But, like, this will have a variety of different beans, different roasteries. 198 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,840 You can still create a coffee shop experience. 199 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:19,920 Just no person. 200 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:21,900 And I'll be honest. 201 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:22,660 Like, for my... 202 00:06:22,660 --> 00:06:24,680 I was deep in the coffee game for a little bit. 203 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,360 I was roasting coffee and all this other stuff, right? 204 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,200 I remember this. 205 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,920 And there are, like, three core things that make coffee good. 206 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,520 And it's fresh beans, fresh ground. 207 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 And, like, you brew it a certain way, right? 208 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:39,500 They've kind of... 209 00:06:39,500 --> 00:06:40,900 There's so much, like, tech... 210 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:47,420 Like, coffee nerds that created all this great tech to make really good, fresh-roasted brewed coffee. 211 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,440 And I think, like, 90% of Americans love just fresh black coffee. 212 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,700 Throw a little creamer. 213 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:54,560 Throw a little sugar. 214 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,160 Right? 215 00:06:56,340 --> 00:06:59,240 Like, this would just be a drive... 216 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Like, a vending machine experience. 217 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,780 Drive-through coffee. 218 00:07:02,780 --> 00:07:04,580 Don't have to deal with tip. 219 00:07:04,580 --> 00:07:06,360 You don't have to deal with the conversation. 220 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,760 I mean, it's too early. 221 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:08,940 Like, why talk to anybody? 222 00:07:08,940 --> 00:07:10,240 It would still ask you for a tip. 223 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,920 Scott, you know my... 224 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,020 That's my business model, right? 225 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:16,620 That's where the revenue comes from. 226 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:18,480 Russell, I got two thoughts on this. 227 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:18,580 Yeah. 228 00:07:18,580 --> 00:07:18,920 Go ahead. 229 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,120 One, completely agree. 230 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:20,920 It's... 231 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,580 If you had something like this, your coffee has to be freaking incredible. 232 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,640 Just got to taste super good. 233 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,040 And two, don't make it a drive-through. 234 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Just put wheels on that thing. 235 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,500 That thing comes to you. 236 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:32,520 It just rolls around. 237 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,000 You hit a button in order. 238 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:34,900 Well, that's... 239 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:35,320 The coffee car. 240 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:35,700 Boom. 241 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:36,440 Door dash. 242 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,840 But the robot on its own. 243 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,900 Just scooting around on the sidewalks on this way to your house. 244 00:07:40,900 --> 00:07:43,360 You just see one while you're driving near it. 245 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,920 It can just hand you one through the window or something. 246 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,400 Going door-to-door downtown for the business or whatever. 247 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:48,420 Middle of the city. 248 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:49,360 Can you... 249 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Okay. 250 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:50,380 So, I'm not a coffee guy. 251 00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:53,620 For those who are listening who are not coffee people, can you tell me a little bit more about 252 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:56,800 So, what Starbucks has converted to is basically what you're talking about? 253 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:57,580 Just this machine? 254 00:07:57,580 --> 00:08:02,260 So, like, they put the cup under and they press 16 ounce, whatever, and it does the whole thing now? 255 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:03,100 Does the whole thing. 256 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:04,400 I mean, you're not... 257 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,020 You, as the person, don't go up to the machine and receive the coffee. 258 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:08,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 259 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:11,360 But, like, the barista just presses three buttons. 260 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Really? 261 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Checks you out. 262 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,420 And then, that's it. 263 00:08:14,420 --> 00:08:15,680 I mean, it's better coffee. 264 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:16,220 What did they do before? 265 00:08:16,220 --> 00:08:18,580 It was just, like, discreet machines? 266 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:22,680 They'd brew a whole batch and you would receive a little bit from that batch. 267 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:23,300 Oh, okay. 268 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:23,940 And that's it. 269 00:08:23,940 --> 00:08:24,940 I did not notice. 270 00:08:24,940 --> 00:08:26,640 Most coffee shops... 271 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,900 I mean, most... 272 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:30,080 Yeah, coffee shops did that for a very long time. 273 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,160 I mean, they still do. 274 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,080 If you can afford this machine, then, yeah, you're... 275 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,320 In your coffee experience, does the new Starbucks taste any different? 276 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Honestly, I think it tastes a little better. 277 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:40,980 No, maybe a little biased. 278 00:08:40,980 --> 00:08:41,460 Consistent. 279 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:41,980 Yeah. 280 00:08:41,980 --> 00:08:42,660 Consistent. 281 00:08:42,660 --> 00:08:44,460 Because it's ground right then? 282 00:08:44,460 --> 00:08:44,940 Yep. 283 00:08:44,940 --> 00:08:45,500 It's... 284 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:46,400 Yeah. 285 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,660 Between the time... 286 00:08:47,660 --> 00:08:50,940 Like, if you let coffee ground sit out for too long, it'll... 287 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:54,600 Like, that's why you never buy pre-ground coffee if you're a coffee drinker. 288 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,780 Like, you always grind it at your house, brew it then and there. 289 00:08:57,780 --> 00:08:58,320 Yeah. 290 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,980 So, if your roast... 291 00:08:59,980 --> 00:09:03,940 Also, like, if your roast date is, like, sooner, there's a perfect time. 292 00:09:03,940 --> 00:09:06,320 Like, two weeks after it's been roasted or something. 293 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,600 Of course there is. 294 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,000 Yeah. 295 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,120 Everybody's got their preference, though. 296 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,860 But then, like, that's when the coffee's really good. 297 00:09:12,860 --> 00:09:16,580 And so, if you think about, like, you turn and burn, like, your coffee. 298 00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:20,540 Like, you buy all that coffee beans in the perfect amount of time. 299 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:21,820 Buy it in bulk. 300 00:09:21,820 --> 00:09:26,160 And what's great is you can buy really good coffee because you don't have to pay employees. 301 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,080 You don't have to pay utilities to heat those employees. 302 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,100 You just have a hot water boiler and a couple machines. 303 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:39,740 And you just run around in a truck, let's say, filling tons of coffee beans in your machine. 304 00:09:39,740 --> 00:09:40,400 That's it. 305 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,140 It's a... 306 00:09:41,140 --> 00:09:41,320 Yeah. 307 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,500 Now, Russ, I got to visit Japan for the first time a year and a half ago. 308 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:51,380 And, you know, you want some ramen noodles, you go to the stand and you go to this vending machine. 309 00:09:51,380 --> 00:09:53,040 You put your quarters in. 310 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,640 It spits out a token. 311 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:01,360 And then you give your token to the one single person that's staffing an 18-seat restaurant. 312 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,480 And so, it's a fully automated checkout. 313 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,760 You just give the receipt. 314 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,940 And the person then knows what to cook for you. 315 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:14,640 Similarly, I saw a crazy coffee option, mostly automated, which is very classic. 316 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:22,320 So, when I'm thinking about this, like, this robot going down the sidewalk, I'm imagining little Hello Kitty kind of, like, you know, like, little robot eyes and stuff. 317 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:22,400 Oh, yeah. 318 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:30,660 You could have that kind of, like, you know, Japanese sparkle to it of, like, kind of, like, that kind of automated, like, you know, my robot's my best friend sort of thing. 319 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,160 Kind of vibing with it. 320 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,360 That could be the next step. 321 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:42,440 Dude, I think I would more, like, there's this 2 o'clock low that I, so, like, I think in the morning, like, say, I pack up the units. 322 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,880 After they've done the vending machine in the morning, I pack them up and I put them on a cart and I wheel them around town. 323 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Because at 2, 3 o'clock, you're like, I could use another cup of coffee. 324 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,240 But the inconvenience is just that there's a threshold. 325 00:10:57,660 --> 00:11:02,900 And so, you know, if you have one of those drones walk around, like, that way I don't have to buy new machines, right? 326 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:08,940 Throw them in the back of a pickup and now I'm just wheeling around town, throwing some coffees at people that ask for it. 327 00:11:08,940 --> 00:11:11,280 That's interesting, too. 328 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,760 But, yeah, also making it cute would also help with the branding. 329 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,340 Because right now it's just freaky fast and robot. 330 00:11:18,340 --> 00:11:19,260 Right. 331 00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:27,620 Could you build it so that it's stocked from the inside of a van and then the dispenser part is on the outside of the van? 332 00:11:27,980 --> 00:11:28,440 Oh, yeah. 333 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,300 It's not a little vending machine, but you drive up and park in a spot. 334 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:32,580 Like, spick it on a van and that's it? 335 00:11:32,580 --> 00:11:34,800 I just get a gas nozzle, rip it off. 336 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,520 Real bootstrapping, you know, here we go, fuel. 337 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,420 We'll call it fuel. 338 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:42,000 That's pretty good. 339 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,140 Now, do people have preferences for different coffee beans? 340 00:11:45,140 --> 00:11:54,600 And so, like, what if the bot came to my house and I got to put my beans in that are my favorite and it makes me the perfect coffee with that fresh stuff that's of my preference of a local supplier? 341 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,420 Do they do that at Starbucks? 342 00:11:56,420 --> 00:11:58,620 Starbucks is just like, this is the bean you get. 343 00:11:58,620 --> 00:11:59,920 You can pick from two or three different roasts. 344 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:00,320 I'm not a coffee guy. 345 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,180 Two or three options. 346 00:12:01,180 --> 00:12:01,500 Yeah. 347 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:03,960 Blonde, medium, or dark roast, right? 348 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:04,800 Something like that. 349 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:05,720 But dang. 350 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,160 Actually, that would be amazing. 351 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:18,720 I would love to drink, like, as a coffee nerd, like, drop a couple 43 grams of coffee beans into this machine and it produces the perfect. 352 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,120 Oh, shoot. 353 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:22,440 That would be, that's way better, actually. 354 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,560 So, how big is the one machine that's got, like, three different kinds of beans in it? 355 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,020 Vending machine sized? 356 00:12:28,020 --> 00:12:29,940 You know, it's a, huh. 357 00:12:29,940 --> 00:12:33,180 It's like, let's say two microwaves stacked on top of each other. 358 00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:38,300 So, if you're making this thing vending machine sized, you could scale up and have a dozen or so varieties of bean in that thing. 359 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:38,980 Absolutely. 360 00:12:38,980 --> 00:12:39,280 Yeah. 361 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,160 Or you just have, like, a really intricate hopper system. 362 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:42,560 Yeah. 363 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:43,080 Right? 364 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:43,560 That's what I mean. 365 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:48,280 I also love the thought of just, like, brewing my coffee such a pain in the ass. 366 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,300 Like, if I could, I would literally take my beans to a drive-thru. 367 00:12:52,300 --> 00:12:56,580 It sounds crazy, but I love that. 368 00:12:56,580 --> 00:12:57,720 You know what I love? 369 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:04,200 It's that mix of just, like, robot, like, crazy robot automation with that, like, still homegrown personal vibe. 370 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:05,900 Like, it's that nice congruence. 371 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:06,820 I'm feeling that. 372 00:13:06,820 --> 00:13:12,120 I'm always jealous of my coworkers who walk up and pour a cup of coffee and leave from the communal, like, coffee pot. 373 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:20,640 Whereas I have my tea apparatuses and I'm watching Steeping Times and getting it to exactly 185 and doing my whole chemistry set over there. 374 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,820 I feel like coffee is the convenient option and you guys are babies about it. 375 00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:25,960 Dude. 376 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:26,920 When you get a really... 377 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:32,400 Is it really that, like, is it just that the communal coffee pot is bad coffee and this is way better? 378 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,260 Is that why you go through the hassle? 379 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,660 Yeah, I guess, like, coffee is good no matter what it is. 380 00:13:38,660 --> 00:13:40,320 It's like, I love coffee that much. 381 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,740 Like, you give me gas station coffee, that's fine. 382 00:13:42,740 --> 00:13:46,740 Free coffee at a car dealership, hey, whatever, right? 383 00:13:46,740 --> 00:13:47,380 It's coffee. 384 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:54,980 But when you have, like, a really good pour over from an amazing roaster, you're like, am I drinking cookie coffee? 385 00:13:54,980 --> 00:13:56,280 Is this sweetened? 386 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,380 No. 387 00:13:57,380 --> 00:13:58,500 This is just... 388 00:13:58,500 --> 00:14:00,180 That's what coffee is supposed to be. 389 00:14:00,180 --> 00:14:07,020 And now everybody should experience that with these robot drive-thru, convenient hopper, or, like, whatever. 390 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:09,860 We drive-thru, we do some drone action or something to shoot. 391 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:11,520 But, like, yeah. 392 00:14:11,860 --> 00:14:21,540 You always see those TikTok or Reddit where the videos of the guy who has, like, the $10,000 coffee machine and, like, the $500, like, little press thing alone. 393 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:29,320 And then he makes it and you're just, like, obviously you can't taste it, but you're just looking at it and it looks like liquid gold just coming out of this thing. 394 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,180 Like, okay, I bet that actually tastes incredible. 395 00:14:31,180 --> 00:14:36,920 I just, I would pay a lot of money just to try that, just to see what good coffee actually is. 396 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,020 Now, Russ, how are you going to respond to, you know, the young people, the Gen Z? 397 00:14:42,020 --> 00:14:44,280 They don't do coffee. 398 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,200 They, like, colorful things, you know? 399 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:53,960 So when you go to Starbucks now, you see, like, the rainbow, all the charade of different, like, you know, pink drinks and green drinks and, you know. 400 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,240 And so it's, like, kind of an evolving. 401 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,920 So how can you kind of, like, make it work and make this future-proof, you know? 402 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,900 We have cows on site. 403 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:05,140 It's pulled by cows. 404 00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:05,640 There we go. 405 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,080 Instead of having motorized wheels, it's a cart. 406 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,580 Like, it's pulled by a team of four sled cows. 407 00:15:11,580 --> 00:15:13,940 There's some almond trees back there in the second cart. 408 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:14,780 It's just a train. 409 00:15:14,780 --> 00:15:19,680 We take the cows that advertise Chick-fil-A and we put them in our shop. 410 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:26,240 So it's moving carts and then drones that fly between the carts, transporting resources between the carts. 411 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,440 I mean, sure. 412 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,060 Like, let's throw some dyes. 413 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:32,740 It's a trick. 414 00:15:32,740 --> 00:15:34,000 You can dupe him. 415 00:15:34,420 --> 00:15:39,960 It's the nicest, most luxurious, fancy coffee you can get and also a squirt of red dye number eight. 416 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,700 Three pumps of red? 417 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:43,920 Well, oh, man. 418 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:44,640 You know what, Mike? 419 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,360 That actually... 420 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:45,740 Classic. 421 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:46,020 Okay. 422 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:53,460 So because this is like a fully automated machine, you could just have user-generated recipes, right? 423 00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:55,320 With dyes or whatever. 424 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,020 You have all the different milk options, all the different flavor options. 425 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,980 And now, like, you roll up to this machine. 426 00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:05,660 It does three squirts of milk of whatever options you like, you know? 427 00:16:05,660 --> 00:16:08,380 Like the Coca-Cola freestyle machine thing. 428 00:16:08,620 --> 00:16:08,920 Yeah. 429 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:09,020 Yeah. 430 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:10,200 You just had all the... 431 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,440 But he out-nailed it. 432 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,560 That's exactly it. 433 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,160 Now you get... 434 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,420 And you can share recipes. 435 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:17,800 It goes viral. 436 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,320 There it is. 437 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:19,540 Yeah. 438 00:16:19,540 --> 00:16:20,160 There it is. 439 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,320 You got the Mr. Beast, you know, blend. 440 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,600 You know, you go there. 441 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,620 It's just... 442 00:16:24,620 --> 00:16:25,300 Mr. Beans. 443 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:26,000 And it's... 444 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,000 I mean, it's all the same stuff, just different pumps. 445 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,600 Like, these Starbucks people have these crazy recipes for, like, Cinnamon Toast Crunch, Three Pump Cinnamon, Three Punch French. 446 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:35,760 Have you seen these? 447 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,100 Like, they have a whole... 448 00:16:37,100 --> 00:16:42,340 There's a whole community of Starbucks people that, like, host the recipes online. 449 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:45,620 And you walk up to the drive-thru and you ask for this crazy order. 450 00:16:45,620 --> 00:16:47,740 Like, literally, like, five different... 451 00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:47,940 You know what I'm saying? 452 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:49,260 The baristas hate them. 453 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:49,720 Absolutely. 454 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:50,740 I think they do. 455 00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:52,140 But they also, like... 456 00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:53,280 I don't know if they care that much. 457 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:53,780 They're just... 458 00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:54,780 Because they're so used to it. 459 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:56,820 Like, Starbucks is, like, fine with it or something. 460 00:16:56,820 --> 00:16:58,780 But don't have to deal with it. 461 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:03,500 You just whirl up, scan your QR code, and now you got your recipes or your... 462 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:05,040 Let's say your entire order, right? 463 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,200 That does sound fun. 464 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,960 You know, you go to McDonald's now and you just got a bazillion options. 465 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,480 You're like, I didn't know this was all possible. 466 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,120 There's all these, you know, on these tap menus. 467 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:14,540 I'm surprised that... 468 00:17:14,540 --> 00:17:15,460 I think that's a great idea. 469 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:18,840 Some sort of viral, like, element of, like, here's what people are ordering. 470 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,420 Like, and you can take that and remix it, you know, and kind of just like it. 471 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:25,580 And it just, you know, keeps going and going. 472 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:26,980 I'm in. 473 00:17:26,980 --> 00:17:27,540 Man. 474 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:28,160 Yeah. 475 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,780 Like, what if, you know, you do a promo of, like, we give you, like, samples, too. 476 00:17:32,780 --> 00:17:34,460 Like, here's a little sample. 477 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:39,340 You would never do that at a coffee shop because economies of scale does not make sense for that, 478 00:17:39,340 --> 00:17:39,620 right? 479 00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:43,460 But, like, now you're like, here's a little sample with your coffee this morning to get 480 00:17:43,460 --> 00:17:44,920 them to try new things, right? 481 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:48,680 Like, you could never get a sample of the caramel brulee at Starbucks. 482 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,800 Like, you know, you'd have to take a sip of some of your friends. 483 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,000 But if you don't have any, you know, two kids, you just dream. 484 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,860 Red box coffee. 485 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:00,320 Yeah. 486 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,160 That's another thing. 487 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,520 You could just set these up. 488 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,040 You get the brand recognition and you throw this at a Walgreens, right? 489 00:18:06,180 --> 00:18:08,980 Like, it doesn't have to be a full-on stand. 490 00:18:08,980 --> 00:18:13,400 Just, like, throw it everywhere, you know, and you just have, it's just, you have a really 491 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,480 intricate machine with all your... 492 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,160 It really has to be a premium product, but I think people could go for that. 493 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,960 Keep the beans in cold storage or nitrogen. 494 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,560 But I think there's a convenience element, too, of, like, it's pretty, seems pretty quick 495 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,860 and customizable and you don't have to, like, feel any sense of shame with your very strange 496 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:31,160 order. 497 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,340 Order ahead of time on the app. 498 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:34,840 It has your GPS location. 499 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,760 It's perfectly made by the time, the second you get there and reach for it. 500 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:44,680 I feel like your, uh, your main pushback is going to be from the, like, robots are taking 501 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,380 our jobs. 502 00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:47,020 I want the human touch crowd. 503 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:47,760 You know what I mean? 504 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,060 So, like, how do we address that? 505 00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:52,600 We will hire one human to hand you your coffee. 506 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,720 Just like Starbucks. 507 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,940 The vending machine arm. 508 00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:59,940 It grabs it from the vending machine and hands it to you. 509 00:18:59,940 --> 00:19:01,240 That'll be $6. 510 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,440 Put some googly eyes on it. 511 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:04,760 That seems to cover it. 512 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,840 I mean, in principle, yes, Leo. 513 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,820 But when you get those TikTokers on there, sharing their custom recipes, it's going to 514 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:12,980 be more human than Starbucks. 515 00:19:12,980 --> 00:19:13,800 That's very true. 516 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,320 If you can somehow incorporate the social aspect of it, a social network, but for coffee that's 517 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,320 built in on the menu. 518 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,300 It's got the viral trends of the day. 519 00:19:21,300 --> 00:19:21,680 Yeah. 520 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,740 Or just market it as, hey, you don't have to talk to a human. 521 00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:28,100 You can just get your coffee without interacting with anyone. 522 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:30,200 For the socially anxious. 523 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,620 For the socially anxious. 524 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:34,860 But if you want to know who you're employing, just take, look at this picture of me and 525 00:19:34,860 --> 00:19:36,440 my yacht just sailing around. 526 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,760 The CEO. 527 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,120 Working hard at my computer. 528 00:19:41,500 --> 00:19:44,140 The CEO of Redbox, but for coffee. 529 00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:45,080 Brown box. 530 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Brown box. 531 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:46,800 Eh. 532 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,220 No, probably not that. 533 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:49,720 I have a job. 534 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:50,980 Like, you're employing me. 535 00:19:50,980 --> 00:19:51,560 I mean... 536 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,500 Scott, this wouldn't work for you because I know you don't drink any coffee. 537 00:19:56,500 --> 00:19:57,160 Same. 538 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,720 One thimble full and I'll be wired for a week. 539 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,840 Is that you, Scott, too? 540 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,740 Something hit me when I was 20 years old and I drank a little ounce of Coca-Cola in Phelps 541 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:07,880 Hall and I just... 542 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,820 Something hit me and I couldn't handle it. 543 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:13,180 So I get decaf coffee and it makes me... 544 00:20:13,180 --> 00:20:14,000 It really shakes me up. 545 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:14,620 Just that stuff. 546 00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:15,600 That's how my wife is, too. 547 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:15,880 Yeah. 548 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:20,080 I think I just got scarred by Russell and people when we did Ring Cam together because 549 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,580 they wouldn't make coffee. 550 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:26,980 They would make a pot of black acid over there and drink like three of them a day. 551 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:29,780 I'd try a little bit and people are like, oh my God. 552 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:37,000 And this seems to be inventing an automated robotic TikTok coffee machine. 553 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,180 Because he's terrible at it. 554 00:20:38,180 --> 00:20:40,680 A pH of three. 555 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:48,880 All righty, Scotty B. 556 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,860 What do you got this week? 557 00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:51,580 Okay. 558 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:56,580 I know we generally avoid AI topics, but I got one that I think is actually applicable here. 559 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:56,900 Hmm. 560 00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:57,460 Okay. 561 00:20:57,460 --> 00:20:58,040 All right. 562 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,500 I had a weird medical throat thing this year. 563 00:21:01,500 --> 00:21:07,640 I got it resolved, but it took a crap ton of effort and specialists and ENTs and a lot of 564 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,280 like subreddit research to figure out what the heck was going on with me. 565 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,000 I hate getting older. 566 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,400 And one of the worst parts of the... 567 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,040 The whole thing was the amount of time between appointments. 568 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,000 You set up something with one person and then it's like months. 569 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,740 And then you finally go in to see them. 570 00:21:20,740 --> 00:21:22,900 And then the next appointment, they're like, I recommend this person. 571 00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:23,800 And it's months. 572 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,560 Coordinating all of that was horrible. 573 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:33,960 Let alone my general practitioner was just like, I don't even remember who you are, let alone what's happening to you. 574 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,520 Because I haven't seen you in so long. 575 00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:40,500 So what I started doing is just literally, I said, screw HIPAA and all this stuff. 576 00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:43,860 I just started uploading documents to ChatGPT. 577 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:47,620 I blocked out a couple of things, but I'm just like, this is what's happening to me. 578 00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:48,980 Walk me through it. 579 00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:52,560 And it was like a project manager master. 580 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,720 It was just like, here's what's happening. 581 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,780 I see you've done this, this, and this. 582 00:21:56,780 --> 00:21:58,680 I would recommend your next step would be this guy. 583 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,020 You should follow up with this one about this going through. 584 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:02,640 It was incredible. 585 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,700 And it was just something that never occurred to me that I could do with AI. 586 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,960 So pitch this week, I want an AI medical coordinator. 587 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:17,940 That's the only one that's actually on your side when you're trying to figure out some weird medical thing that's going on with you. 588 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:23,080 And I was talking about this to a co-worker, and he had literally the exact same thing. 589 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,480 He was having some weird medical issue, and he was going through all these different specialists and blah, blah, blah. 590 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,180 And he's like, I just wish I had a project manager to tell me what the frick to do next. 591 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:33,040 So that's my pitch this week. 592 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,780 An AI bot that walks through my medical records. 593 00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:39,720 Well, when you first set this up, I thought you were going to talk about the scheduling nightmare. 594 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,840 And it does seem like there's like a traveling salesman problem of coordinating that, right? 595 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,140 That's its own other thing in just a shitty American healthcare system. 596 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:48,160 It's true. 597 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:54,020 I was wondering if that's the low-hanging fruit that AI could start with and step in as. 598 00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:57,600 Like, I see that you have these three tests that need to get done. 599 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,200 I know that two of them are in the same building over here. 600 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,200 So I'm going to call both of them and try to get the first time that they're both available at the same time. 601 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,180 You know, that kind of like coordinating side of things. 602 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:08,860 That's, yeah, that's fair. 603 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:15,580 I've learned the secret with that is you just call whoever your appointment is for six months out and be like, if you have a cancellation, call me anytime and I'll make it work. 604 00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:16,960 And then just like, I don't care. 605 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480 I will quit my job and just go to that appointment. 606 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:21,500 And they get you in and it's great. 607 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:31,920 But no, it was the fact that it could read my test results, compare it with whatever intelligence it has on there and be like, I actually think you should be doing this instead of this guy over here. 608 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,640 This ENT. 609 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,820 When you go and talk to this ENT, make sure to ask these questions. 610 00:23:36,820 --> 00:23:39,920 And it gave me a list of like seven things to think about going through. 611 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:40,880 And it was huge. 612 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,120 And it helped me figure this out. 613 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,560 It's like WebMD, but even more hallucinating. 614 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,960 It's WebMD, but much less scary and much more realistic. 615 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,620 I don't, everything wasn't lupus and cancer. 616 00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:54,900 It was just like, oh no, it's just such and such. 617 00:23:54,900 --> 00:24:02,040 So do they like give you medical advice, you know, quote unquote, like, or was it just more like medical coordination? 618 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:06,740 So I went like, for example, I went to one ENT and he's like, okay, we ran this test. 619 00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:09,140 Take this test back to your general practitioner. 620 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:13,600 You do that several months later and they're just like, uh, I think the ENT summed it up. 621 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:13,940 You're fine. 622 00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:14,580 Yeah. 623 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:15,080 Okay. 624 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:21,200 And then you went to chat GPT and you said, I don't know if they did a good job and they figured out the next thing. 625 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,100 Exactly. 626 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:27,100 And it's like, well, we would recommend your next step is you should go see this type of specialist and ask them these questions. 627 00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:29,740 And it was still this whole rabbit trail to follow. 628 00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:37,940 But I felt like I had someone on my side walking me through the path and remembering all the information of all the things I've told them before. 629 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:38,860 That's whack. 630 00:24:38,860 --> 00:24:39,840 Yeah. 631 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,180 My medical data is like the last thing I would say. 632 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:43,720 I need to get stuff into AI. 633 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:50,060 So what would your proposed product to do that chat GPT can't do yet? 634 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:57,220 Are there things that would optimize this experience more where it's like, oh yeah, this is the medical version and here's why it's better. 635 00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:57,740 You know what I mean? 636 00:24:57,740 --> 00:25:03,120 I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of privacy things that we probably got to figure out with uploading any data to that. 637 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:04,960 But beyond that, no. 638 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,900 Notebook LM would be perfect for this. 639 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:07,200 Yeah. 640 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,140 Have you played with Notebook LM? 641 00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:10,360 Google's Notebook LM. 642 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:11,860 What is it? 643 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:15,620 Up to 50 at time of recording. 644 00:25:15,620 --> 00:25:22,400 50 sources of as big as the book you're working on to as small as a one-page PDF of some document or whatever. 645 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,180 Like your medical records or whatever. 646 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:25,420 They promise not to train on it. 647 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:31,000 And it's a LLM that's hyper-targeted at like pulling and summarizing and citing. 648 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:41,200 So it's not pulling from the copus of all knowledge so much as it's saying, well, here, here, and here I've noticed these patterns among these 50 documents or whatever. 649 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,640 And it seems like it'd be perfect for what you're talking about. 650 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:49,100 You have your like ongoing journal of all the recent tests and stuff that you've done. 651 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:53,880 And you can like interrogate that by typing along and asking it questions and stuff. 652 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,920 What have you noticed in my blood pressure in the last 12 months or whatever? 653 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,280 Yeah, and in terms of like liability and whatnot, you give it some instruction to say like do not give medical advice. 654 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,220 You know, give me and, you know, coach me on what I could do with a doctor. 655 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:10,700 And then you reassure people like, oh, don't worry. 656 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,300 It's only going to put you towards, you know, health and not towards, you know. 657 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:23,680 I think too, like if you actually, so like ChatGPT usually helps people do their job better, right? 658 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:37,180 So if you think about this being a superpower for the human job, that would be, let's say, using this tool, Scott, to help them do whatever it is that they're going to be doing. 659 00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:41,120 So like kind of like a personal shopper, but for medical. 660 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,700 So they would set up your appointments. 661 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:44,860 They would talk to other doctors. 662 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,680 They would actually, let's say, go one step beyond and like receive that advice, call the ENT for you. 663 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,840 Like, you know what I mean? 664 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Like sometimes you're going to the doctor and what are they going to do? 665 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,720 Just tell you, like ask you questions. 666 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:06,640 Like maybe it's just like a little bit of the telemedicine, you know, meets ChatGPT, meets your personal shopper, right? 667 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:15,540 And like in your specific experience, it's probably like there are people that have like really bad diseases that have to deal with the billing. 668 00:27:15,540 --> 00:27:19,220 Not that you don't, I don't know what your disease is, but like or not. 669 00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:22,580 Some people actually have it rough, Scott. 670 00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:24,400 No, I got you. 671 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,920 You know what I mean? 672 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:34,160 Like the bad, the super bad ones, the ones that are like, oh, my entire financial life is crippled, right? 673 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800 And so like now you have to deal with health insurance. 674 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,420 Now you have to figure out your like payment schedule. 675 00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:44,940 And you know, like my mom's like a lot of my family, I'm half Filipino, right? 676 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:47,820 Is in the nursing and medical world. 677 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:55,460 And sometimes you just talk to the social worker at the hospital and they're like, yeah, we can wave like 80% of these fees for you just asking us. 678 00:27:55,460 --> 00:28:02,540 And like it's kind of crazy how if you had somebody that's like, yeah, I navigate this system all day, every day. 679 00:28:02,540 --> 00:28:09,480 Like the social engineer with this tool that you create, Scott, is like now you have the super duper power, right? 680 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:23,920 Because like if you think about it, if your medical expenses hit like 50K, let's say like why not hire a professional to help navigate that with this superpower tool with your other stuff, right? 681 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,220 So, yeah. 682 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,240 I get what you're saying. 683 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:32,960 And that's definitely like, you know, several steps beyond of what this thing, what I was thinking on this guy. 684 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:42,860 I'm still just like caught on the MVP of like, I just want someone to tell me just to remember what is happening and tell me what to do next on here. 685 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:52,680 Because these rabbit holes, when you start going on a subreddit of just like people who've had some similar problem, it gets very deep and very scary very quick. 686 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:53,600 Yeah. 687 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:54,960 This subreddit's killing me. 688 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:06,980 This could be the two-ended interface for both you and your primary care doctor where like, hey, you know, here's the like two-minute summary of everything that you've done for me. 689 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:11,560 What I have done up to this point and it sums it up in a way that your doctor's like, okay, I'm on the same page here. 690 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,700 Yeah, that connects to something I was thinking. 691 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:23,780 I was part of the value prop, part of the pitch is like what makes you different than GPT is that you have medical professionals on hand that can check your work. 692 00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:30,580 So, if it suggests something and you're like, I really love this and I want to make sure it's good before I bet on it, you just click a button. 693 00:29:30,580 --> 00:29:32,600 It gets cued to the medical professional. 694 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,940 Then they confirm it back to you within 24 hours. 695 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Apple Watches and Withings and Fitbits of the world are adding more and more features where it's like, spit out a PDF of the last like 60 days of my sleep data or my heart rate data or whatever. 696 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,920 And you can use this to give it to your medical professional. 697 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:57,880 But like, what doctor is going to look at your heart rate for the last two months and say, oh, I get exactly what's going on here, right? 698 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,580 This is like that idea, but actually useful where like, hey, doc. 699 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:04,700 Here's what I've tried so far. 700 00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:05,860 Here's the summary of what's been. 701 00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:06,340 Yeah, exactly. 702 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:10,720 Because like you said, he's got a million patients and it's been four months since you've seen him last and stuff. 703 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:13,040 Like, how is he supposed to remember or she? 704 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,860 Yeah, I guess I think the MVP is dope. 705 00:30:15,860 --> 00:30:19,920 I think it would be supercharged by like the medical professional, right? 706 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,020 That would be interesting. 707 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:27,300 I mean, I'm excited about it because I feel like I stop when the doctor says, ah, you're fine, right? 708 00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:28,020 I'm like, great. 709 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:30,500 I just need somebody to tell me that so I can move on with my life. 710 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:35,340 Like, even my wife's like, ah, you don't need it. 711 00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:36,680 We got a baby. 712 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,060 You got to leave that one for the next year, right? 713 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:39,660 I'm sorry. 714 00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:46,060 But I mean, like, I think like, okay, I have an advocate, right? 715 00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:49,400 Like, you kind of need, you know, words of, what are they called? 716 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,600 When you speak. 717 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,080 Affirmation. 718 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,940 Words of affirmation, right, Mike? 719 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:53,400 Yeah. 720 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,900 Words of affirmation. 721 00:30:54,900 --> 00:30:57,800 To like get you the confidence to like, all right, this is my health. 722 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,680 This is my future. 723 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,980 Like, this is, I got to do this, right? 724 00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:05,840 I mean, there's an element of that that you're, that this, what do we call it? 725 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,900 Like, Dr. GPT or something. 726 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:10,800 Dr. GPT. 727 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,240 Oh, God. 728 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,060 I mean, Dr. Phil. 729 00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:13,660 I was thinking project manager, but. 730 00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:15,060 Dr. Phil GPT. 731 00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:15,340 Dr. Chad. 732 00:31:15,340 --> 00:31:16,620 Okay, so that way it's not. 733 00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:19,160 Sorry, I'm attacking Dr. Phil. 734 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,440 So the robots are going to take our coffee jobs and our doctor jobs. 735 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,240 Yeah. 736 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:31,360 I mean, Scott, it's actually like making a GPT on, it's like, it's literally like you could 737 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040 do it in the background while we're having this conversation. 738 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Yeah. 739 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,680 You just give it up. 740 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,500 That's simple on there. 741 00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:37,720 Like, I did this. 742 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,660 I used this and it was fantastic. 743 00:31:39,660 --> 00:31:41,640 How do we monetize? 744 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,400 Have you made the actual like custom GPTs? 745 00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:44,980 No. 746 00:31:44,980 --> 00:31:45,060 No. 747 00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:45,540 They're dope. 748 00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:48,740 You'd like that system where you give it all the pre-trained info. 749 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:52,880 I tried to make one for reading data sheets and it wasn't very good at that. 750 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,180 That's exactly what I did, Scott. 751 00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:55,720 I never went to it again. 752 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,280 Someone else will do it better. 753 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,200 I'll just wait a year. 754 00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:03,820 Where's the overlay on top of GPT to help me? 755 00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:04,080 Yeah. 756 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,920 But if you get your instructions and your prompts right, I know your current system is putting 757 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,620 them into notepad or whatever and like a copy pasting everything. 758 00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:17,220 But if you get that right into a GPT, then you can monetize them within the platform. 759 00:32:17,220 --> 00:32:21,900 Other people can pay to use your GPT like instructions and stuff. 760 00:32:22,420 --> 00:32:26,180 You can also create a standalone app and charge the subscription for it like all these other 761 00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:27,320 companies that do it. 762 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,900 The classic version. 763 00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:30,840 This is why I don't like talking about AI. 764 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,900 There's so many wrappers out there. 765 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:33,240 Yeah. 766 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,060 This is one that was actually helpful. 767 00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:36,200 That's really cool. 768 00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:38,500 But I think this is different. 769 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:43,640 Like I feel like all the other GPTs or AI tools are like superhuman thinking. 770 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,580 This is just like helpful. 771 00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:49,600 Like and this is such an in like in a system that needs this right now. 772 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,740 Yeah. 773 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:51,460 That's the big one. 774 00:32:51,460 --> 00:32:56,640 You could also monetize by making a badass tool and then get it acquired by Epic. 775 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,140 There's like two companies that run all the records, the medical record system. 776 00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,660 So it's pretty easy. 777 00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:04,760 And that's very true. 778 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,540 Epic would never want to do this themselves. 779 00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:07,500 maybe right away. 780 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,600 They want to get it tested by somebody else, you know, in their startup. 781 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,020 So. 782 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:15,680 And like two thirds of all these AI startups that are getting millions of dollars of venture 783 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,560 capital seed money or just GPT wrappers on the open AI APIs anyway. 784 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,960 So you make yourself your little prompts, put a little website together. 785 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:24,380 Boom. 786 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:25,100 Millionaire. 787 00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,620 But seriously. 788 00:33:26,620 --> 00:33:29,620 Is that too cynical of a note to end on? 789 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:35,820 All right, Leo. 790 00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:37,300 What do you have this week? 791 00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:37,840 All right. 792 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,900 Time to lighten the mood. 793 00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,500 You guys have been way too dark. 794 00:33:40,500 --> 00:33:41,640 You're trying to take all our jobs. 795 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:42,420 Dark like coffee. 796 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:43,280 Medical issues. 797 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,500 Dark roast. 798 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:49,020 I've got an idea for a fun, lighthearted art project and tech website. 799 00:33:49,020 --> 00:33:53,480 That's one of those like single page apps that I'd want to throw together if I had the time 800 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:53,900 to do it. 801 00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:55,140 So someone out there needs to do this. 802 00:33:55,580 --> 00:34:04,160 Did you know there are 500 hours of YouTube content uploaded to the platform every minute? 803 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,040 I know. 804 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,320 That's as of 2022. 805 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,400 It's probably even higher now. 806 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:14,800 I have many coworkers, especially of generations older than mine, who love looking at clips of 807 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,940 videos and movies and TV shows that they treasure on YouTube. 808 00:34:18,940 --> 00:34:24,440 They just pull up the, yeah, isn't that the hilarious joke from Seinfeld that you remember? 809 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,880 Or Tommy boy. 810 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,540 I got to show you this Tommy boy clip over and over again, right? 811 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:38,560 I bet that across those 500 hours of content a minute, every part of most Hollywood movies has 812 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,640 been uploaded to YouTube at some point as a three second clip. 813 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:52,040 I want to use AI to try to make the movie streaming service of the worst possible quality where you're 814 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:59,600 preloading three to 10 YouTube videos that are the sequential overlapping cut to cut to cut movie 815 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,200 in as much of an entirety as you can, just for fun. 816 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,120 Even if it's one like predefined movie that you just try to put together, I bet you could assemble 817 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:16,100 all of the Avengers or whatever, just from people's shaky cams and like 10 second clip of that one 818 00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:16,840 scene that they love. 819 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,140 So they uploaded it and stuff. 820 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:23,760 All you need to do is break down all the frames of a Hollywood movie or a TV show episode and 821 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,060 try to like find where they all exist across the platform. 822 00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:27,420 Right. 823 00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:32,860 And some of them will be in videos named hilarious fart joke dot MP4. 824 00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:33,200 Right. 825 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,800 But I bet you could do it if you have the right search tools at your disposal. 826 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,320 The hard part is going to be the content discovery, but I want to make podunk streaming dot biz where 827 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,740 you go there and you type in a Hollywood movie and it tries its very best. 828 00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:53,700 It'll take a long time to process to use the search API and find all of these frames and put 829 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:54,240 them together. 830 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,640 Because once you have the list of movies and the time codes of the actual like source, 831 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,380 it'd be pretty easy to like get all these YouTube embedded players all loading in the background 832 00:36:03,380 --> 00:36:07,520 and then play to play to play to play to play and stitch them all start to end. 833 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,840 That's the art project that I'd love someone to build if they have the time. 834 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,440 I love this so much. 835 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,280 And I got I got I got two extensions to throw off there. 836 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:16,400 Yeah. 837 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,600 Yeah. 838 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:25,360 Number one, you can flip a switch and opt instead of like school stage recreations. 839 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,240 So you're watching like Shrek. 840 00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:28,000 Yeah. 841 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,840 And it's like the actual DreamWorks film. 842 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,560 But there's one shot where suddenly it's in a middle school like theater room. 843 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,660 And then it comes back. 844 00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:39,240 It comes back to the DreamWorks CGI after. 845 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,600 There was someone who did this with Star Wars. 846 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,180 The entirety of Star Wars was broken up into like one minute or less chunks. 847 00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:50,120 And they gave all of those different chunks to various creators and said, you do a claymation 848 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,340 one. 849 00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:51,620 You do an animated one. 850 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:56,820 You do like your friends with paper plate costumes and robes and you act it out. 851 00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:59,100 And they like stitched it all together to be the whole movie. 852 00:36:59,100 --> 00:36:59,680 It's really fun. 853 00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:59,940 Yeah. 854 00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:00,840 That'd be so fun. 855 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,860 Yeah. 856 00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:02,680 Okay. 857 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:13,760 extension number two and it's art so I can make reference to AI is if it's missing a 858 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,520 clip, you can opt to say, I want to reference all the other clips to generate what would 859 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:20,980 be the filler clip. 860 00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:25,780 What does AI think those three minutes of Shrek that are missing would be? 861 00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:26,580 Exactly. 862 00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,000 That would be so crazy. 863 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,600 Oh, man. 864 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,660 Generate a script. 865 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:35,880 Generate what the frames would look like. 866 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,920 Oh, that'd be awesome. 867 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,080 And then we watch B-movie. 868 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,760 Oh, man. 869 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,220 I just want to build that now. 870 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:45,540 So you take the whole two hour movie and then you choose like a point where you cut out three 871 00:37:45,540 --> 00:37:48,460 minutes of it and you have AI trying to guess what that would have been. 872 00:37:48,460 --> 00:37:49,360 That would be really fun. 873 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,920 But really, how messed up would B-movie be? 874 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,040 If you try to watch B-movie, there's so many B-movie memes. 875 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,580 Yeah. 876 00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:56,180 That it just would get broken. 877 00:37:56,180 --> 00:37:57,180 It would just break. 878 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,580 The data sets all screwed up with people. 879 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:00,240 Yeah, right. 880 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,500 That's how we're going to stop our AI overlords one day. 881 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:05,960 Get occupied and distracted. 882 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,200 Okay. 883 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,720 So like another way you could do this too is you take the transcript of the whole movie 884 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,160 and it's way easier for YouTube to read like transcripts because they got it available. 885 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,520 You could just generate the entire movie using random clips that have the same lines. 886 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,260 Oh, yeah. 887 00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:24,440 So like every line you just generate. 888 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:24,820 All right. 889 00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:26,300 Where's the words? 890 00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:27,300 Fly you fools. 891 00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:27,680 Right. 892 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,380 And it just goes and finds some random clip with that transcript, adds it in there, 893 00:38:32,380 --> 00:38:37,980 and now you have this entire movie end to end from random YouTube clips from the transcripts 894 00:38:37,980 --> 00:38:38,340 That's fun. 895 00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:43,980 Like you see those videos of people stitching together like some CNN anchor rapping or like 896 00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:47,900 Obama doing Gangster's Paradise or whatever just because it's a bunch of little clips of 897 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:52,000 him saying half of one syllable of one word, cutting straight to another one. 898 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,560 Yeah. 899 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,260 You do that, but the whole movie, that'd be great. 900 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:54,440 Yeah. 901 00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:02,160 And then you add like a layer of like to that end, like only presidents or like only celebrities 902 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,520 or yeah. 903 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,720 Only middle school plays. 904 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:06,200 Children. 905 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,740 Acting out like, yeah, the B movie or something. 906 00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:16,660 Or a Pulp Fiction, just a bunch of clips of random school plays making the whole. 907 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:22,500 You're making me think of what movies would I want to watch with all these fun little elements. 908 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:24,600 All the Shreks is the right answer. 909 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,820 That was a fantastic idea. 910 00:39:27,820 --> 00:39:32,240 I had some dark thoughts like The Passion of the Christ or something, but I don't know if 911 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:32,820 that's okay. 912 00:39:32,820 --> 00:39:34,420 You can cut that if you want. 913 00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:36,560 Somebody. 914 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,020 I'm so curious about the legality of just like normal YouTube. 915 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:47,140 I can upload, you know, a minute or two apparently of some movie clip. 916 00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:51,440 I could watch the bar scene and then Glorious Bastards and that's just on YouTube. 917 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,780 And that would feed into your thing. 918 00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:59,080 But if I put the entire movie together from a thousand different sources, who's suing who 919 00:39:59,080 --> 00:39:59,740 at this point? 920 00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:00,440 Yeah. 921 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,580 Because Fair Use says that you can do it as long as it's not transformative. 922 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:07,820 Or it is transformative and it's not like taking away revenue. 923 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:08,280 Right. 924 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:13,240 So it's a very squishy and legally dubious definition. 925 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:18,600 But basically the gist of it is trying to say, I'm not going to take away revenue from the 926 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,780 person who made it with this little one minute clip. 927 00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:22,400 So it's okay for me to put on there. 928 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,620 Right. 929 00:40:23,060 --> 00:40:28,940 But when you're stitching together 800 embedded videos, you're basically getting all the way 930 00:40:28,940 --> 00:40:29,140 there. 931 00:40:29,140 --> 00:40:29,380 It's different sources. 932 00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:29,800 It's fine, Your Honor. 933 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,200 Yeah. 934 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,860 Right, right. 935 00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:35,420 I also learned recently about like comedic or like satire law. 936 00:40:35,420 --> 00:40:37,860 So I learned this through Enron.com. 937 00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:40,620 If you didn't know, Enron.com is alive and kicking. 938 00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:42,940 It's actually a very impressive website. 939 00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:49,940 But when you go into the terms of service of Enron.com, you then learn that it is a satire. 940 00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:50,900 What's on there? 941 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:52,020 What is it? 942 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,460 It's inspirational. 943 00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:55,380 It reminds you of why you're alive. 944 00:40:55,380 --> 00:40:58,960 A little exercise for the listeners. 945 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:05,600 I mean, it uses the Enron branding, you know, and it says that we're back and, you know, 946 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,280 we're here to change the world and make it a better place. 947 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,980 You know, everything that our corporations are, you know, here for. 948 00:41:10,980 --> 00:41:17,980 It's just a bunch of videos of just like people moving really fast in like New York and like 949 00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:19,880 transformation, rebirth. 950 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,820 What is this? 951 00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:22,360 Oh, wow. 952 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,020 That sound you hear is this deafening silence of three guys furiously Googling. 953 00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:31,360 Big leaders, bigger ideas. 954 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,820 And one of the CTAs is I am Enron. 955 00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:38,280 Loop pie. 956 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,100 This is audio poison. 957 00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,640 This is not content. 958 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,300 You can do this with songs almost, right? 959 00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:51,420 Like if you like all these like 10 second clips of different songs in the background, right? 960 00:41:51,420 --> 00:41:56,980 Oh, like random guy who's filming out of his taxi cab window, but the radio is on in the background 961 00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:58,960 of that four seconds of Taylor Swift. 962 00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:00,680 And then it cuts right to the next thing. 963 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,420 Oh, that'd be a fun start because then the, oh, I love that. 964 00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:05,260 It's like Shazam. 965 00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:08,060 Because the world's worst like music streaming service. 966 00:42:09,500 --> 00:42:10,900 That's a good name for it too. 967 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:11,340 Yeah. 968 00:42:11,340 --> 00:42:12,660 100% free music. 969 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:13,960 Shittyspotify.net. 970 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,760 All the music on earth for free. 971 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,060 I love it because then it tells a story of all the different life situations where someone 972 00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:26,340 listens to Taylor Swift of like, of like, like, you know, it's all these very dynamic, diverse 973 00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:27,520 sort of, you know. 974 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,840 And it's totally legal. 975 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,340 Right? 976 00:42:29,340 --> 00:42:30,660 Concert videos. 977 00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:35,860 Like every time you listen to Taylor Swift 22 and you have different videos because there's 978 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:37,740 so many probably versions of that, right? 979 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:39,020 10 second clips. 980 00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:40,740 You hear it different every time. 981 00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:42,340 Every single, that's how you saw it. 982 00:42:42,340 --> 00:42:45,900 Like you just different version, different humans or whatever. 983 00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:49,620 The three minute Taylor Swift compilation is probably a little bit less ambitious than 984 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:50,760 my Shrek idea. 985 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:51,460 So that's good. 986 00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:53,800 That's a lot of work. 987 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,600 You build into the Shrek idea, you know. 988 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,640 Are you all familiar with, with Superstar, the Karen Carpenter story? 989 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,320 No. 990 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:01,700 This was 87. 991 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,500 Todd Haynes, you know, he director, this was kind of his first breakout. 992 00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:10,480 And what he did is it's stop motion and it's telling the story of the Carpenters, you 993 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,320 know, in the death of Karen Carpenter, but told through Barbie dolls. 994 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,600 And it's stop motion Barbie dolls. 995 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,340 And the reason I bring it up is because the movie was, you know, very quickly sued, you 996 00:43:22,340 --> 00:43:25,220 know, for, for rights usage, you know, cause it was referencing songs. 997 00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:29,440 And so, but it was such a viral, well, this was, again, this was the eighties, but it had 998 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,480 such like a cult following that people were duping their cassettes. 999 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,380 So they, you know, put one VHS tape in, then copy it to another VHS and then share 1000 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:37,980 it with a friend. 1001 00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:40,180 Then they would make a copy and share it with a friend. 1002 00:43:40,180 --> 00:43:45,320 And so part of like the cult nature of this film is that you'll never see the same film 1003 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,920 twice. 1004 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,280 Sure. 1005 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,920 Because every copy is unique in the way that it was duplicated. 1006 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,820 All the little artifacts. 1007 00:43:50,820 --> 00:43:55,840 Or maybe had, you know, it was duped over maybe other family videos and, or other like 1008 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,940 commercials or television. 1009 00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:59,220 So it has like all these other elements. 1010 00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:03,860 And so it has a real call status and what you're describing, it kind of feel it carries 1011 00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:08,180 that legacy into kind of a digital age where this was VHS in the eighties. 1012 00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:11,020 This is a very kind of contemporary version of that. 1013 00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:14,940 All of the popular scenes of these like a list movies that we're talking about. 1014 00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:19,600 I'm sure that there's hundreds, thousands of different uploads to choose from, right? 1015 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,500 So if you can catalog all of those with the exact timestamps that they occur of the actual 1016 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:28,560 movie, you could stitch together a unique experience for every person who watches it. 1017 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:34,540 You know, you pick number 681 for those nine seconds and you pick number 2825 for those 12 1018 00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:34,880 seconds. 1019 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,140 Yeah. 1020 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:40,120 And like you said, it's even better if it's like a handy cam of someone putting it on a projector 1021 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,500 screen somewhere or like there's some other experience happening around the content for 1022 00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:44,780 sure. 1023 00:44:44,780 --> 00:44:47,900 You're jumping around from theater to theater or something. 1024 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:48,440 I don't know. 1025 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,800 Anyway, hope that inspires you listener. 1026 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:58,080 All right, Mike, we're so glad that you're here. 1027 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,400 What have you brought for us this evening? 1028 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,180 Right. 1029 00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:04,900 In March, I became one of those people and I, I got a flip phone. 1030 00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:09,760 Um, so yeah, your anti-smartphone. 1031 00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:10,880 Is that the principle here? 1032 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,660 No, no, no. 1033 00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:13,220 I'm just more comfortable with it. 1034 00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:17,220 And I talk to people and whenever I bring it up, a lot of people are like, oh, I want 1035 00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:17,600 to do that. 1036 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,000 I want to do that. 1037 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,480 Oh, it's just, it's just this one app that I need to use or for work or like, oh, it's 1038 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,280 like, it's for my kids or like, oh, it's just like this, like one kind of like utility 1039 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,220 for this or that. 1040 00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:32,760 And, and, you know, I can, I don't, I don't pressure, pressure anyone, but I, I got thinking 1041 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,420 about it more. 1042 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:39,840 And I think we have this, we have this assumption that the phone is always tied to us. 1043 00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:44,840 And so either you have a smartphone or you have a dumb phone and it's either or, but I think 1044 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,240 that there's still another way. 1045 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:51,340 And the idea is landlines make home phones great again. 1046 00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:54,520 So what, what does it look like? 1047 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:54,960 Okay. 1048 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,840 So imagine you're out and about, you know, you're scrolling, you're working, you're using 1049 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,680 your phone just as ever. 1050 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,800 But when you get home, you dock your phone and whenever someone calls you, it rings throughout 1051 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,360 your house. 1052 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:13,080 And so you can always pick up the phone, your spouse or whoever significant other or whoever 1053 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:13,780 else lives with you. 1054 00:46:13,780 --> 00:46:15,100 They can also dock their phone. 1055 00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:20,180 And whenever your phone rings, it rings throughout the house and could pick it up. 1056 00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:23,140 And it says, oh, dad, it's from you. 1057 00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:24,180 It's uncle Steve. 1058 00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:27,500 And then, you know, just like you, we all know, we remember that. 1059 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:31,840 Um, it's like, again, you get the benefit of the smartphone cause you're out and about, 1060 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,840 you know, you're sitting on the toilet, you want to scroll through Instagram or whatever, 1061 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,900 or you, or you have a utility you need to use for work or whatever. 1062 00:46:37,900 --> 00:46:41,640 But when you get home, you feel like you're able to set it aside. 1063 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,360 Um, so then what would you do in terms of like SMS, right? 1064 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,820 If people might text you or whatnot. 1065 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:55,180 So then imagine using just like a, um, uh, a glorified iPad. 1066 00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:57,220 It's a display in it. 1067 00:46:57,220 --> 00:47:01,060 And I know it's scary, but it publicly shows the text messages that are coming through. 1068 00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:04,360 But again, it reinforces the home that this is the home. 1069 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,000 We are first and foremost here. 1070 00:47:06,220 --> 00:47:10,340 And then we can see the messages that are coming through on the screen. 1071 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,000 And then if we need to go pick up our phone and then next level, you can't do this probably 1072 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,280 on an iPhone, but on Android, you have some sort of local processing of the text messages. 1073 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:25,440 And if they seem especially urgent, then it rings the phone and says, Hey, you know, there's 1074 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,120 an important text message you should pick up, but you should go look at. 1075 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,920 Um, so then you can especially rest easy in that way. 1076 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:31,200 Yeah. 1077 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,620 So the reason you went for the flip phone primarily is to be able to make it easy to disconnect. 1078 00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:36,260 Yeah. 1079 00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:39,460 So when you're, when you're home, you're home, you know, in your home, you're with the people 1080 00:47:39,460 --> 00:47:42,200 and then you do other things, even if you're just watching TV or whatnot. 1081 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,160 But yeah, that, that's the idea is, is kind of, it revives that spirit of the cell phone 1082 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,680 is that the cell phone is what you take when you're out and when you're home, you're home 1083 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,540 and you're not. 1084 00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:52,840 Yeah. 1085 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,460 Yeah. 1086 00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:56,640 So it's a niche, it's a niche, you know, you know, not at all. 1087 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,580 And the hardware is in a lot of people's homes with smart connected speakers and stuff. 1088 00:48:00,580 --> 00:48:02,080 You got your Google assistants in here. 1089 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,320 I always forget that I could just answer my phone through the Google home at any time. 1090 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:06,600 Yeah. 1091 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,080 That should be a feature, right? 1092 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:13,060 Where like you optionally go in and you say, yeah, ring my smart speakers instead. 1093 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:13,760 Wow. 1094 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,220 I have eight or 10 smart speakers around my house already. 1095 00:48:19,220 --> 00:48:20,840 And it's ridiculous that they're not connected. 1096 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,240 We taught our two and four year old to go up to the touchscreen thing. 1097 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,340 And like, if there's an emergency, you know, you can press this button to get to dad or mom, 1098 00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:27,600 right? 1099 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:27,960 Yes. 1100 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,240 Okay. 1101 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:28,580 Great. 1102 00:48:28,580 --> 00:48:29,300 Got it. 1103 00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:30,100 You know what I mean? 1104 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:35,740 Like if, you know, mom falls over and isn't talking, you can go and call for something. 1105 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,600 But like, yeah, the ability to make the home itself have the connectivity there was kind 1106 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,760 of a promise that was never fulfilled from all these smart speaker vendors. 1107 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,300 Dude, Mike, this is awesome. 1108 00:48:47,300 --> 00:48:49,160 I am a terrible texter. 1109 00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:54,960 I, but I think I, it's because I kind of live that lifestyle of like unconsciously. 1110 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,580 Like I just, I don't know what it is. 1111 00:48:56,580 --> 00:48:58,340 I think I just suck at typing on my keyboard. 1112 00:48:58,340 --> 00:49:01,940 And so it just has really burned me from like doing, using it as often. 1113 00:49:01,940 --> 00:49:06,080 Like I will find the moment of time where I just answer all my texts. 1114 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:11,380 Leo has gotten all this, answer all my texts, my, my messages on Facebook and all that stuff. 1115 00:49:11,380 --> 00:49:13,200 And I think all at once, all at once. 1116 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,700 Right. 1117 00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,140 And I think there's something to that. 1118 00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:15,800 Like, sure. 1119 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:21,420 Like you put your phone aside partially because I have to, but partially because like, Hey, 1120 00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:24,820 this is a good, healthy way to have devices. 1121 00:49:24,820 --> 00:49:25,340 Right. 1122 00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:26,440 Or just communication. 1123 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:26,920 Right. 1124 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,020 You're at home. 1125 00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:33,940 Like the people you're around in real human being world is probably where you should spend 1126 00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:34,420 your time. 1127 00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:34,720 Right. 1128 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,540 And so like you plug it in or whatever, but like, I think there is something about 1129 00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:40,980 like, you know, the, the hand phone, right. 1130 00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:45,520 Or something like the old dial, like picking up, at least you got your, you received your 1131 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,100 call, like who calls anymore anyway, wait to that end too. 1132 00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:53,920 But also you have like, let's say a station in which you receive all your text messages and 1133 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,980 you're not going to be standing in front of your text station all night. 1134 00:49:57,980 --> 00:50:01,880 Make it inconvenient for you so that you don't want to do it. 1135 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,260 Yeah. 1136 00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:08,680 Like create a intentionally hard user experience for you to do this at home. 1137 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,020 Like, it's just, I think it's healthy. 1138 00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:15,600 I think, I think, I think it'll catch on as like a health trend or something. 1139 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:15,880 Right. 1140 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,820 And just like people going to flip phones. 1141 00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:18,380 I like that. 1142 00:50:18,380 --> 00:50:22,980 And if you have the dedicated station, like you're describing, then people who are bad 1143 00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:28,180 texters like you or my darling wife would be like, I would feel less bad about saying 1144 00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:33,340 like I'm calling the house and interrupting and getting attention because this is important. 1145 00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:37,780 They need to go to the texting station and answer because I have a time sensitive thing. 1146 00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:42,980 Whereas right now, if I'm dead in a ditch, there's no way that I'm calling my, my darling 1147 00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:44,940 bride to try to get help. 1148 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,620 Like some people are not the texter like you wrestle and that's okay. 1149 00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:54,560 But like, if you've got the house aware of it all, not only do you have the separation 1150 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,840 of this is the spot or don't let things through that are urgent or whatever, but then you make 1151 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,320 it easier for the people who want to be present to like prioritize and triage, you know? 1152 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:04,920 Yeah. 1153 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,120 And I think you kind of start to communicate, like people might get annoyed at certain points 1154 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,640 of like, why didn't you respond as quickly? 1155 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,520 But you start to, they start to get the picture, you know, over time, you know, and it starts 1156 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,900 to become kind of like a thing they can, you know, they can deal with. 1157 00:51:18,900 --> 00:51:22,100 And you could even, again, on Android, you could do automatic replies if you really wanted 1158 00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,500 to, you know, this person's at home. 1159 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:25,420 They won't be answering. 1160 00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:26,940 It's like those drive-ins. 1161 00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:30,360 Like if you, if you call me the phones, you know, you're going, everyone's going to hear, 1162 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,820 you know? 1163 00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:33,680 So we, we learned with Russell, we know he'll respond eventually. 1164 00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:36,120 It comes around, but it comes around. 1165 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,240 He'll respond to all eight queries at once. 1166 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:39,540 Yeah. 1167 00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:43,460 I'll get, I'll answer like 16 group messages at once going through and it's amazing. 1168 00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:48,380 I'll say there's something too, like when the whole house rings, like it calms the kids 1169 00:51:48,380 --> 00:51:51,340 down, you know, it's like, oh, I want to pick up the phone. 1170 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:51,980 Who is it? 1171 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:52,180 Right. 1172 00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:55,240 There's like a connection to, it's like the mail. 1173 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,220 I don't know if you guys still feel like. 1174 00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:59,240 It makes it a communal experience for sure. 1175 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:03,200 And you know, now it's like, okay, everybody attention. 1176 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,460 I'm about to take a call. 1177 00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:08,080 It also sets the expectation. 1178 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,840 Back to nineties. 1179 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:09,360 Yeah. 1180 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,080 Cause in a way, like the phone was, is now right. 1181 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,300 Tied to you as the person instead of tied to the home as a whole. 1182 00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:16,760 Right. 1183 00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:19,380 And so now you can't like the five household. 1184 00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:19,820 Right. 1185 00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:21,800 Leave a message for all of us. 1186 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,120 Right. 1187 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,560 And it kind of turned into like a family aspect. 1188 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,180 Right. 1189 00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:28,480 Of communication, which is lost. 1190 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,220 I feel like definitely. 1191 00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:30,520 Right. 1192 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,660 Like I can't imagine being a kid now without a phone because you literally have no communication 1193 00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:38,140 with the world where before you could call landline. 1194 00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:40,460 At least you get to know the parents a little bit more. 1195 00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:41,880 Now you skip all that. 1196 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,660 You go straight to the source and you'll lose. 1197 00:52:44,780 --> 00:52:49,480 I mean, I, I, I feel like my parents knew all my friends because of the landline. 1198 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:49,820 Right. 1199 00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:55,240 I think that we're going to lose that connection with our, you know, kids or like even in general. 1200 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:55,540 Right. 1201 00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:58,840 And just like the nineties, if you really want to bring it back, whenever someone's 1202 00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,760 on the landline phone, then you cut off the internet. 1203 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,580 Ayo. 1204 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:03,760 Play all the noise. 1205 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,860 And only one person can use the phone at a time. 1206 00:53:05,860 --> 00:53:06,480 Right. 1207 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:06,940 Exactly. 1208 00:53:06,940 --> 00:53:07,280 Yeah. 1209 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,320 Yeah. 1210 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,080 Yeah. 1211 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:11,180 That's definitely, it's funny. 1212 00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:15,200 There's been so much effort in the last years to kind of like be more, you know, tech 1213 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,820 wise or kind of like reduce screen time. 1214 00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:22,180 But, but I think they're missing like this critical piece of like the household, you know, 1215 00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:25,740 in the home and differentiating that from everything else. 1216 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:30,380 And I think that again, it's like, yeah, have a smartphone, but you know, but, but, but, 1217 00:53:30,380 --> 00:53:32,880 but think about the time and place of, of where it's used. 1218 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,140 And I haven't heard that conversation. 1219 00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:36,620 So I, that's what kind of, I think this is a fun idea. 1220 00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:37,700 Digital wellness. 1221 00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:38,000 Yeah. 1222 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,720 There was a whole push from both platforms. 1223 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:40,140 Yeah. 1224 00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:40,760 Yeah. 1225 00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:45,740 Two or three years ago to like, yeah, we're going to monitor your screen time and lock you 1226 00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:48,020 out of your apps and make it easier for you to do all these things. 1227 00:53:48,020 --> 00:53:48,200 Yeah. 1228 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:48,980 I totally agree. 1229 00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:50,320 Best tip I ever heard of that. 1230 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,560 Put your phone in black and white. 1231 00:53:51,820 --> 00:53:53,180 It's just, I don't know. 1232 00:53:53,180 --> 00:53:54,760 Just makes you not want to use your phone. 1233 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,320 It's incredible. 1234 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,120 After 10 PM, when my phone's plugged in and it turns black and white. 1235 00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:58,340 Yeah. 1236 00:53:58,340 --> 00:53:58,720 It's great. 1237 00:53:58,720 --> 00:53:59,360 Yeah. 1238 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,900 I think, yeah, I think TikTok does that too. 1239 00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,840 Like there's, I think there must be some money maker. 1240 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:11,120 Like there's some reason why if people got too sucked into TikTok after an hour and a half, 1241 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,440 they're like, Hey, you should probably put your phone down. 1242 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,780 Like, I think there is some, like, they don't want you to get your life. 1243 00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:21,720 I guess like what I'm saying is that maybe social media people or like, 1244 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:29,040 these tech companies have a small incentive to keep you from like being, ruining your life 1245 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:34,160 in it because then it turns into an addiction and like, they don't want to go into those lawsuits. 1246 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,740 They don't want to go into like that world. 1247 00:54:36,740 --> 00:54:41,280 They just want you to take care of yourself, eat and breathe so you can come back and keep using it later. 1248 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:41,980 That's all. 1249 00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:43,620 Don't forget to eat. 1250 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:44,800 That's probably it. 1251 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:45,600 Like after one. 1252 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:51,320 Would you like to order a hot dog from the, or would you like to order a coffee from Russ's, 1253 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,300 Russ's machine? 1254 00:54:52,300 --> 00:54:52,980 My partner, Dordash. 1255 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:53,720 Russ's Redbox. 1256 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:55,320 Brownbox, sorry. 1257 00:54:56,060 --> 00:55:02,100 If I could put my phone down and like it auto replied, let's say to messages or communicated back, 1258 00:55:02,100 --> 00:55:08,000 I think I'd feel a little more comfortable also with knowing that the people that are messaging me 1259 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,900 understand the situation I'm in. 1260 00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:14,880 I know like do not disturb the thing on iPhone, but it just, it feels a little like, you know, 1261 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,320 like you're, you're, you're blocking me. 1262 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,040 Instead, it's like, I don't know, a little bit more intentional. 1263 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:27,000 Like, Hey, we're, I'm at home, you know, feel free to send a text or a call, but like, this is the situation that we're in. 1264 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,980 It's not going to be urgent. 1265 00:55:27,980 --> 00:55:34,600 It's not going to happen quickly, but at least it knows like my status or my aware, like a little bit of a communication back 1266 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:35,940 instead of it just being for me. 1267 00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:43,020 Like, I think it's helpful to communicate out so that people know, Oh, I'm adopting this sent for my Blackberry vibe. 1268 00:55:43,020 --> 00:55:44,040 Right. 1269 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:52,940 The move, yeah, the move away from instant messaging to texting and stuff has really have had us lose the, 1270 00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:55,940 the away message and the status indicator. 1271 00:55:55,940 --> 00:56:02,140 Wouldn't it be great if there was a universal status message like Slack and teams and stuff have where like, 1272 00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:07,520 you know, I'm at home, I'm busy, I'm commuting, whatever, you know, 1273 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:15,100 part of what's fun too, is thinking of how would you design the hardware because you want to have some sort of like sense of sentimental throwback. 1274 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,780 But you also want it to feel like very modern and fitting in your home. 1275 00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:26,160 And so it's like this kind of, it's kind of like the light phone where they kind of really try to find this balance of simplicity, 1276 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,240 but also making it feel technologically reasonable and functional. 1277 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:31,040 The e-paper one. 1278 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:31,460 Yeah. 1279 00:56:31,460 --> 00:56:31,900 Yeah. 1280 00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:32,460 Yeah. 1281 00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:36,920 So I think it would be just really fun to design the headset and or handset, 1282 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,040 kind of some old school elements, but kind of sleek still. 1283 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:40,820 Big buttons. 1284 00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:44,080 You are envisioning something that you're actually like picking up and walking around with, 1285 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,440 not a fixture of the home. 1286 00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,820 It seems like you could have it be speakers. 1287 00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:48,360 Yeah. 1288 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:49,060 I think of a phone. 1289 00:56:49,060 --> 00:56:49,320 Yeah. 1290 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,880 Something like when you could like, yeah, still saying like, 1291 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,780 if you want to be cooking food and on the phone, like you do that. 1292 00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:58,080 Like, or if you're like, yeah, it's not like saying don't use the phone, 1293 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,400 but it's like centralizing the phone as a shared utility in the home. 1294 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,100 I'd feel more comfortable with my kids having a phone to like being a part of that too, 1295 00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:12,220 where you, I do not want them to have any cellular device of any magnitude. 1296 00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:12,820 Right. 1297 00:57:12,820 --> 00:57:17,900 Like it'd be cool to like, let them pick up the smart or the dumb phone or the house phone and 1298 00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:19,720 talk to the grandparents or whatever. 1299 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:25,220 And you've had your like Facebook portals and Amazon echo screens and stuff like that over the 1300 00:57:25,220 --> 00:57:28,320 years that have come and gone, but it seems like nothing's ever grabbed hold of that. 1301 00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:33,320 Like this is the appliance that does communication, but it stays still market. 1302 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,720 And maybe part of that is because you want to be able to pick it up and move around like a landline. 1303 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,360 I don't know. 1304 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,020 Something about the form factor, like it found little niche audiences here and there, 1305 00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:45,600 but there's never been the, oh yeah, this is obviously the future of how home communication will go. 1306 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,200 Hey, you're right. 1307 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,380 That's really died down. 1308 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:51,140 You don't hear about, I think they're all shutting down those divisions or kind of chilling them out. 1309 00:57:51,140 --> 00:57:52,740 Well, it's because they got too smart. 1310 00:57:52,740 --> 00:57:57,680 Like then you turn it, like the kids that I see have it, like they turn it into a blippy machine. 1311 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,880 It's like the only way they can get their, their fix or they like Alexa play this song. 1312 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,360 And now it just, it's not a device of communication. 1313 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,620 It's a, it's a blippy. 1314 00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:08,020 It's an audio version of a smartphone, right? 1315 00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:09,280 It just turned into that. 1316 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,020 Or like if you had a screen, it would turn into like a little bit of video and then you're just losing that. 1317 00:58:14,020 --> 00:58:18,960 So, so maybe the secrets here, making something purpose built that only does the calling grandparents 1318 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,560 and stuff like that. 1319 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:21,120 Yeah. 1320 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,380 Just more human connection. 1321 00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:26,480 I feel like the smartphone was initially created for more human connection and then it turned into 1322 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:34,200 whatever asynchronous robot talking screen to other robot talking screen that happens to get to my buddy. 1323 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:34,720 Right. 1324 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:35,420 I don't know. 1325 00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:37,100 Maybe that's, maybe that's the solution here. 1326 00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:39,680 We're going to figure out how more synchronous communication. 1327 00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:45,060 I feel like with Slack and texting and everything else, it's like, Oh, I'll answer you in a couple minutes. 1328 00:58:45,060 --> 00:58:47,720 Just not, I need real time, baby. 1329 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,460 That's why I do this podcast too. 1330 00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:52,340 It was asynchronous. 1331 00:58:52,340 --> 00:58:55,160 I am trying to get comfortable with just calling people again. 1332 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,580 It's not, it's not comfortable, but I'm trying just to call. 1333 00:58:58,580 --> 00:59:04,180 And then when they just text me, I leave a voicemail and they text me back and I say, you're being such a millennial. 1334 00:59:04,180 --> 00:59:04,840 You know? 1335 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,800 Calling out. 1336 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:07,200 Yeah. 1337 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:12,520 I'm very fortunate in that the culture at Hope College is still very like, let's have a meeting. 1338 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,580 Let's have a call. 1339 00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:18,160 And it feels like the public consciousness is starting to switch back to that again too. 1340 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,820 Like away from, like you said, asynchronous. 1341 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:28,120 People are starting to realize like, wow, remote work where I never actually speak to another person for months at a time has downsides too. 1342 00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:28,900 Yeah. 1343 00:59:28,900 --> 00:59:32,500 You all got to remember, I got an hour and 15 commute to work right now. 1344 00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:35,120 Like there are upsides and downs. 1345 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,200 There's ups and downs. 1346 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:36,920 I would. 1347 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,260 Nope. 1348 00:59:37,260 --> 00:59:37,520 That. 1349 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:37,960 Yep. 1350 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:38,800 Put me in a basement. 1351 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,860 Lock me up. 1352 00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:40,180 Yep. 1353 00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:44,920 Well, dear listener, if you are on your way and you've just about made it to work, we should 1354 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,260 better wrap up really quick here so you can park and we won't keep you waiting. 1355 00:59:48,260 --> 00:59:49,700 Thanks very much for listening. 1356 00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,020 We hope you enjoyed yourself and thank you so much, Mike. 1357 00:59:52,020 --> 00:59:52,800 This was so much fun. 1358 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,580 Yeah. 1359 00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:54,500 Great to be with you all. 1360 00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:55,160 Yeah. 1361 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,240 We'll have to have you back, man. 1362 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,180 Our website is Spitball.show. 1363 00:59:59,180 --> 01:00:03,580 There you can find links to our YouTube channel, social media, email us comments, feedback, 1364 01:00:03,580 --> 01:00:04,020 ideas. 1365 01:00:04,020 --> 01:00:04,860 We'd love to hear from 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